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cal.bar 
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So... the threads stripped out on my 47CJ and I need to get a new bellhousing. Found a member here to sell me one. Sent him these pics. He says it's a CJ3 bellhousing. IDK. Can anyone positively ID the bellhousing for me?
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Paleot
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Helicoils will fix Your old bell housing better than new, cheap and easy to do.
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The two posts up top are for a starter bellcrank. Willys pickups used that type. John
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I do have two of those if you need one cal. bar http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/parts-identification_topic39978.html Edited by mike in oregon - 26 Apr. 2017 at 1:55pm |
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Mark W.
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The Bell housing shown is an early CJ-3A or earlier bell housing. Notice the open port for the starter bendix to extend into. Some where in the Late 3A run they switched over to the closed nose stater and did away with this bearing opening.
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cal.bar
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Maybe, but for $45 plus shipping, I figured why fix. Maybe you're right, but I have no experience with them. |
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cal.bar
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How are the threads on them? |
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Cost. Around here any of my machine shops will install 2 or 3 Helicoils for about $50.00. This saves you the hassle of finding a bell housing that will work & it saves shipping costs & time. If I didn't have the Helicoil tools at work, I would have them do it. The Helicoil kit, which includes the tools & 5 coils, cost about $35.00. Just one coil costs about $4.00, which is what I pay, since I am doing all of the work. The work consists of drilling out the hole, tapping it out for the Helicoil, and installing said coil, 5 minutes tops. Ten minutes if we include checking the tool kit out of & into the tool crib. IHTH, Cpt Logger. Edited by cpt logger - 26 Apr. 2017 at 6:50pm |
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I'll vote for Helicoils, end result is better than stock.
I saved my original engine block by Helicoiling all 15 head stud holes. Also saved the original 1945 dated fuel pump body with them etc etc. They are very easy to use, especially when the original metal was soft, ie: Cast Iron/alloy etc. Adrian |
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cal.bar
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Capt. Not sure it's worth having a repair done when I can replace for very little more. BTW - ten minutes to drill out four holes. Run the tap by hand for four holes (hoping it doesn't bind or break) and inserting the coils?) Not sure about that. Anyway, very few mechanics or shops in my area to do that kind or work. And given my area, even if I find one to do the work, will likely costs at least $50.00 if not more than a replacement bell. Best stick with replace I think. Thanks for the help though! |
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To clarify, 10 minutes per hole. I had no idea how many holes had stripped out. Four! That is quite a few.
Why did all four holes strip? That is very unusual. What is to keep the next bell housing from stripping all four holes as well? Unless you live in downtown L.A. I would bet that most mechanic shops in your area do this repair fairly often. It is a common repair. My friend, who works in a Jeep dealership, does at least one every two weeks, so... Good luck. Cpt Logger. PS. I am not trying to change your mind. I am only posting so the next Jeeper with this problem has some good information. |
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cal.bar
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Yeah, can you believe all 4 stripped out. When I rebuilt it, I remember one of the four just kept spinning and wouldn't tighten. The other 3 tightened ok, but not to 40 lbs of torque. So, after a few months of driving, I started having clutch problems, only to realize my trans was moving away from the BH every time I stepped on the clutch. Further investigation reveals one bolt MISSING ENTIRELY, and the other 3 finger lose in the holes. So... yep all four need to go. I suspect with only 3 holding the trans to the BH, it caused too much stress on them and they stripped out. As for my area, I'm in South OC. Virtually no shops work on old cars at all - much less jeeps. Jeep dealers want nothing to do with a 70 y/o jeep. Most mechanics around here have never SEEN a 47 Willys - much less worked on one. PLENTY of BMW and Mercedes dealerships and mechanics though (lol) So, yeah, 40 minutes of work in South OC will cost you WAY more than $50 for a new BH. I just love the stories I hear hereabouts about folks in other states taking their whatever "down to the local machine shop" etc. and being charged $20.00 or whatever for this or that or even not being charged at all for some small favor. LOL Must be nice. This time, I will not only use split washers, but also threadlock and tighten to 40 LBS.
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Send me the old one and I'll throw it away for you ;)
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cal.bar, this is just a suggestion, nothing more nothing less. If you are going to own one of these fine old machines and there are no repair facilities in your area that will work on them I would suggest starting to expand your skill set. The work never ends, and you are never finished with them.
There are plenty of stories on the various build threads of individuals that started with little to no mechanical or body work skills. They asked questions, practiced and learned to make repairs. Their rigs turn out awesome. The suggestion was to heli coil your existing bell housing, it isn't a matter of it being just as cheap to purchase a different bell housing, it is a matter of learning a new skill that you may need further down the road for a part that is not readily available. You can find how to videos on You Tube for just about everything. The knowledge on this and other forums is a great resource. All it takes on your part is the willingness to attempt a repair and to buy some tools. Good Luck
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Go on eBay check item #162218462743 $21.26 free shipping has every thing You need to do repair except drill bit. Plenty of You tube videos to show You how to do it.
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You do realize it costs more to ship than its worth. For the same amount I can get you one that DOESN'T rewire 40 min of work and $40+ in tools and equip to fix. Lol |
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[QUOTE=Paleot] Go on eBay check item #162218462743 $21.26 free shipping has every thing You need to do repair except drill bit. Plenty of You tube videos to show You how to do it.
[/QUOTE Oh I LOVE buying tools. Still gearing up the shop to deal with the CJ. I just can't see the repair being as good as the replace in this particular case. |
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I don't know about mbullism, but I've got the tools and equipment to repair it, and shipping will be about $35.00 (I shipped one recently). That's less than half of the $45.00 plus shipping that you're going to pay.
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