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tamnalan
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Ditto on the Permatex #2 for head stud threads. Seals them nicely. A couple of other suggestions:
- The copper head gaskets are sweet, and only about $10 more than the Fel pro version. - The new lip-type rubber rear main bearing seals are much easier to install than rope. The problem-rubber seals are the older, wiper-type design. Walck and Fitzpatrick both sell the new seals. - Strongly recommend you have the shop replace the tappet adjuster screws instead of simply refacing the old screws. New screws are available from Walck's for cheap.
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Alan Johnson
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MaxSheridan
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I don't remember where I saw or read this but...
When Installing new head studs, you should put thread sealer both on the stud and in the hole. The reasoning being, sealer will be pushed to the bottom and top of the stud, effectively creating an o-ring of sealer on each end of the threaded area. I haven't got to that point yet, but the theory seems sound, so I'm going to try it that way.
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otto
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I have to admit I'm not completely sure what type of product Permatex #2 is. Does this come in a toothpaste type tube or the little can with a brush inside? I have a tube of Three Bond liquid gasket 1104 that I've used for many things successfully, maybe it's similar?
The shop called yesterday, said the engine is done!
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damar2yxr
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Yup, toothpaste tube.....dont use it on teeth. Its not expensive. should be on the shelf at the auto parts store.
So.....what are the machine shop & parts damages?
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otto
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I'm planning on picking up the engine tomorrow, which is also payday. I'll probably just hand the check over to them!
I'll post up a tally when everything gets home.
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tamnalan
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I hope your engine came out great!
Permatex #2 is a thick brown goo in a toothpaste tube. It's great stuff - resists oil and antifreeze well and doesn't harden. It cleans up pretty easily with brake cleaner or similar solvent. It's been on the market for decades. It looks more appropriate for our old jeeps than silicone products do (IMHO) and I think it works as good or better anyway.
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Alan Johnson
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otto
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From the bill: Bore 4 cyls to 0.060” $100 Install 2 sleeves 240 Install cam brng 30 Install casting plugs 30 Re-size con rods 72 Grind valve seats 80 Install valve guides 32 Deck block 80 Machine manifolds 35 Machine flywheel 35 Magnaflux 20 Clean block 75 Dis/asmb eng 40 Stitch block 60 Remove oil plug 30 Grind crank 130 Valve guides 20 Sleeves 76 Casting plugs 20 Misc supplies 30 Engine kit 325 $1580 I see they only charged me for 4 guides and installation of
4 so maybe they forgot or they were serviceable. They only informed me of the
sleeve needed for cyl #4 and now sleeves are in both #3 and 4. The stitching is
between those cylinders so maybe it was an issue with the cracking. The head had been surfaced two years ago and I elected to
re-run the camshaft and followers. Same with the oil pump and the timing gears.
I carefully measured the parts and they were within spec. This engine had been
rebuilt in the past and some parts looked just fine. The jeep only gets driven
about 300 miles a year, it should last forever now. How do these prices compare to other parts of the country?
Did I get hosed? The “engine kit” contained 4 pistons, main and rod bearings,
rings, cam bearing and a gasket kit. |
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LesBerg
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I wish I had seen this sooner. I discovered that while most jeep shops only carry Omix or Crown pistons, O'Reilly Auto sells Sealed Power pistons, Melling bearings and such. They don't stock them, but can absolutely get their hands on them.
Hope your new motor purrs like a really big kitten.
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Joe DeYoung
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Are you going to have it balanced? In my opinion it's money well spent. They run so much smoother.
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damar2yxr
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That price looks about right. I paid a very similar amount on my rebuild....
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tamnalan
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That overall bill seems about right to me, at least for similar work where I live in Ohio.
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Alan Johnson
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WeeWilly
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My thought is why not sleeve all the cylinders and keep them standard size instead of installing 2 sleeves and boring them .060 over which is about the limit and restricts you from future boring if ever needed. Their prices seem fair for the parts and labor.
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otto
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I did not elect to have the engine balanced. I've grown so accustomed to it running on three cylinders that once it's hitting on all four it will seem smoother by comparison.
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otto
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The only reason the block got sleeves was because of cracks. I suppose one could sleeve it down to a standard bore, but that would have cost $158 per hole to do so opposed to $25 to bore. I'm comfortable with it being 0.060" over; I've heard of these engines going to 0.080".
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mbullism
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Not piling on, but I'm kinda with Jim on this one... by the time I'm spending 1500, 1800 doesn't hurt as bad It's my understanding that .08 over is a crap shoot, and frequently leads to over heating issues... you sleeved two, and then bored 3/4 of the life out of them right up front, IMO. 158x4=632 (158+25)x2=366 I'm kinda surprised the shop didn't at least bring it up... We're talkin about 266 bucks, but admittedly hindsight is 20/20...
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jhg
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Keep us in the loop over time regarding the engines performance going forward. Its always informative to learn how well different approaches to rebuilds work out. My 2a had its engine rebuilt by the PO. Some details were omitted, others included, in what "I" would have elected to do. However, and this is whats important, it runs great. Lets not quibble about rebuilds that are already completed.
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1948 cj2a. Rebuilt L-head, steering, T90, WO 636, steering, brake lines. So far.
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otto
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The sleeving took place after all cylinders were bored and honed and the cracks presented themselves. I see your point about bringing it back to std bore, but it's spilled milk now.
Got the valvetrain in and lashed the valves to a tight 0.016" as per the manual, which seems a bit loose to me. I took the sheet metal cover off the floating oil pickup to clean the screen and forgot how it was oriented. Does the inlet portion face the pivot or is away from the pivot? |
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mike in oregon
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Rob mine is facing away from the pipe. Here is a pic.
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