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Topic: What was your motivation?
Posted By: Brian3
Subject: What was your motivation?
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 1:53pm
I'm curious, what got other people into Jeeps?  Or when did the bug bite?  I "got it" when I started volunteering at a local museum that has a '42 MB that saw service in Italy and Northwest Europe.  I'm sometimes assigned to drive it in "Tank Day" shows.


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I wish people would quit hittin' me on the head. MQ



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Posted By: Bob3b
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 2:35pm
When I was maybe 9, my dad woke me up one saturday morning and asked if I wanted to go to the Jeep races...I was hooked after that.

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1946 CJ2A #23881
1953 CJ3b, nice!
1949 Jeepster
1947 Empire Model 90
1985 CJ10A
Spen "S" Utility trailer
Kubota l3400


Posted By: Joe DeYoung
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 2:46pm
My jeep exposure started very early with my Father having a 51 willys 473 truck on the farm. My siblings are a decade+ older than I and had jeeps on the farm as well. We moved to the city in 69 when I was very young but kept the land. I would go out there every weekend with my brother working on something... often jeep related. When I was a teenager, I owned a few jeeps myself but I sold off all my willys stuff (except for the 47 2A I had as a kid) a year after I started my Machine shop in 1995. In 2003 my brother asked me if I wanted to go to the Willys Reunion in Baraboo, WI. I had know idea what that was but it sounded like fun and agreed to go with him. Well.... that was like throwing a match on gasoline and the obsession has been burning ever since. Within a month I had bought an early column shift 2A and have never looked back. Now my shop looks like this....
 

 

 I guess the Willys Reunion worked Big smile
 
 

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Joe DeYoung
to many jeeps, parts, and accessories to list here, but apparently enough to keep me in trouble with my wife.







Posted By: RSR_MK
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 3:08pm
A jeep was the first thing I was allowed to drive by myself, mostly on the farm. Took it hunting and fishing with a few trips over to the neighbors. I would guess I was 10 or 11 then. I think I was in my 40’s when I thought I needed another one. One of the best things I’ve done. Handy as a pocket on a shirt around the farm. Unless it’s raining I use one daily for the choirs. Cold weather is fine, I have to be out in it anyway, cold and wet is not so good. 


Mike
 


Posted By: Mark W.
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 5:33pm
Dad had a junker 49 3A when I was born. I have only one memory of it. That of it sitting next to CHUG A LUG at some time prior to Oct 12 1962 (Columbus Day Storm) At the time I was 5 years old I remember a little bit about Dad dragging CHUG home from a farm in Scotts Mills about 10-12 miles away. And then the first big memory of CHUG is sitting in it (before dad got it on the road) trying to shift the gears and Dad telling me I would wear out the transmission. I was still age 5 at the time.

Dad got Chug Running and started driving it to work sometime in early 1963. I remember both times he painted it in the driveway. And then I remember going to the very first meetings of the Salem Jeep Club in 1964-65 (club history has them forming the club in 65 but it seams to me like their were meetings at the local Jeep Dealer either very early in the year or late 64.

Form the forming of the club until maybe as late as 1970 we did all sorts of adventures with the Club from visiting the Oregon Dunes in Central Oregon to trips to Sand Lake at the beach. Dad also joined the Marion County Search and Rescue (part of the Sheriffs Dept.) we did stuff all the time with CHUG Parades and Hunting and Fishing etc.

Our Family car from 1965-76 was a 65 Deluxe Wagoneer Yellow with Black interior Dauntless 6 3spd on the column

Dad continued to drive CHUG to work through the 60's then in 1970 he bought a Green J3000 Gladiator Pickup. And Chug kind of went to pasture.

Then in the summer of 1974 I got a job (at 15) working as a framing carpenter with my uncle and I drove CHUG to meet him about 3 miles from the house I parked CHUG in the ditch for the day after ridding into Salem to the Jobs in Uncle Arnolds falcon station wagon. Which must have had 13" Disc brakes on it cause he drove it at full speed up to every stop only applying the brakes a few feet from the stop sign or traffic light. Scared the hell out of me every morning.

After that summer I started driving CHUG on dates and going to Bicycle races etc. Through High school it was my car. But dad would not let me actually drive it to school. He said he paid taxes for the bus we were going to ride in.

Last time CHUG was driven on the road was Sept 19th 1976 3 days before I left for college and at the end of about a 1000 mile 3 day weekend were a buddy of mine and I took CHUG all the way to the Alvord Desert in Easter Oregon on the back side of the Steens Mountain.

EDIT: And my first vehicle I ever bought was a 57 Willys Wagon stock drive train some idiot had done a SOA which led to the roll over that ended its useful life.

So I don't think there ever was a time that Jeeps weren't part of my being.


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Chug A Lug
1948 2A Body Customized
1949 3A W/S
1957 CJ5 Frame Modified
Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962


Posted By: Nothing Special
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 5:50pm
Hard to say.  I've been a motorhead all my life.  My grampa's fishing boat with a 5 horse Merc was the first vehicle I could drive.  I think I was about 7 when I started taking it out by myself.  I got my first go kart when I was about 10 and went through several over the next 8 years.  Due to lack of pavement to drive legally on I started driving the karts off-road.  They broke a lot so I switched to dirt bikes, but really was more of a 4 wheel guy.

I was about 9 when I subscribed to my first 4 wheel drive magazine (PV4).  I remember being interested in Jeeps before then, but there weren't any in my family.

My dad bought a 1929 Model A Tudor sedan as a father-son project when I was 10.  That got me hooked on old iron.  We started that rebuild which I ended up finishing after college.

I bought my first (and so far only) Jeep not long after college (before the Model A was done).  It was a '75 CJ5.  It was just a beater / driver until I finished the Model A, then I rebuilt it into a decent trail rider.  I had hoped to keep the Model A, but life said I couldn't keep both, so when the Jeep was "finished" I sold the A.

My sons outgrew the back seat in the Jeep so I upsized to the '71 Bronco I still have.  Again I had hoped to keep both but wasn't able to, so the Jeep went away.

Now I'm a (new) empty-nester and I'm trying to figure out what life will look like.  I'm hoping to keep doing automotive projects, and I'm looking for what the next one will be.  I love the Bronco, but there was something a little more fun (if less practical) about the more open CJ5, so another Jeep has always been in the mix.  I've always like the looks of the early flat-fenders, and that, along with my Model A induced love of old iron makes a 2a attractive (the fact that it's less practical than a CJ5 is sort of irrelevant since I have the more practical Bronco).  Then I started running into videos with some of the guys from this page so I dropped by.  It seemed like a great group so here I am, Jeepless (for now at least), but still hoping!


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Bob

Flatfender wannabe
https://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/nothing-specials-71-bronco_topic42024_post411994.html?KW=#411994" rel="nofollow - '71 Ford Bronco


Posted By: drm101
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 5:51pm
My father-in-law offered me his old '47 CJ2A. My son was 8 at the time and I thought it would be a cool father and son project. My son's 15 now and we still tool around in the summer.


Posted By: berettajeep
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 6:15pm
I've been told my Grandfather plowed in a Scout that had no brakes. I would ride with him from time to time. This was before I was 4. I have no memory of it at all but it put a lasting impression on a young me.

Not much later My mom took us kids ( my sister and brother) to visit a high school friend. Her friends husband had a multi colored CJ7 and he took us kids down a bunch of trails in South Eastern Ohio.

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Dennis
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/my-47_topic21227.html" rel="nofollow - '47 CJ2A 101823
http://www.fsjnetwork.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4942" rel="nofollow - '74 Cherokee


Posted By: nofender
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 6:19pm
I guess i was around 11 or 12. My older brother and I were out "four wheeling" in a 1966 Rambler. We got that poor thing quite stuck. We hiked out to a pay phone (remember those?) and he called a friend. Said friend showed up around an hour later in this amazing vehicle. It had some sort of device on front with a rope and hooks. Being the smallest - it was my job to crawl under the Rambler and find something solid to hook to. He pulled us out with very little effort. 

Turns out that vehicle was actually a Toyota Land Cruiser with an 8274 on the front. I didn't know at the time what the heck it was. But it was cool. I became obsessed with anything 4WD since that day. I read every magazine I could. I'd ask any person willing to answer questions about their 4x4's. 

The summer I was 13, I worked on a farm picking corn. The old man has an old CJ5 with a plow that i was obsessed with. HE never let me drive it. But he taught me all the features and was quite proud of that Jeep. 25 years later I ended up owning that Jeep. but it was just too far gone to salvage much at that point. Still breaks the heart.

My first 4x4 was a 74 Cherokee Chief. I was 14. Still wish I had that one. Anyway, I've had all sorts of 4x4's. But I always gravitated to the Jeeps. Eventually all other brands and projects we abandoned. Soon after that all Jeep models other than flat fenders were abandoned. 

So it was a Land Cruiser that got me into Jeeps.....in a round about way. Wink


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46 CJ2a rockcrawler
46 CJ2a - 26819
46 Bantam T3c "4366"
47 Bantam T3C - 11800
68-ish CJ5


Posted By: mbullism
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 6:55pm
Early on, maybe ten or twelve, I graduated to being allowed to drive the page garden tractor around the yard for chores, which quickly led to trips around the back 40 when dad wasn't looking.  That graduated into home built go carts, then vw bugs, all bombing around the back forty.  Upon getting my license, mom's 2wd std cab toyota pickup got run up and down every highline, sand pit, woods road I could find..sometimes hunting, sometimes keg parties...woods bombin', lol.  That truck went places it had no business... saved up some money, dad matched, and the obvious answer was something to go where the toy wouldn't... '69 Kaiser cj5 fit the bill.  Over the years that ride got a small reputation amongst my circle and I was hooked.  I was in the process of searching out a 2a to stick a buick in when life does what it does...wipes that youthful smile off your face with a slap of reality, lol...

Never found that 2a, but hauled that buick all over for 35 years...and life slowed just a touch.  Started searching out a 2a for the buick, and found one but in my advanced age I fell for the L-head, hard...  the last several years have been a blast.

I'm back, baby  LOL


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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it... Welcome to 1930's Germany


Posted By: 63owner
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 7:33pm
When I was 7 or 8 (mid 1960s) we'd visit my uncle and aunt who lived in the country in central Kentucky. My uncle had a good-size wood mill on his property along with an old Jeep. I'm guessing it was a surplus MB but it was so long ago I don't remember any of its details.
My dad, a World War II vet who had a lot of experience driving Jeeps in Germany post-war, would take us for rides around the farm and would never miss an opportunity to climb it up the side of a large scrap pile. I thought that was the coolest thing ever.
I never knew what happened to that old Jeep but fast forward 40 years when life settled down, I was able to buy my own.


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1948 CJ2A
1963 CJ3B
Late 1940s(?) Spen trailer


Posted By: AKoller
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 8:47pm
I was about 10 years old when my dad bought a 1983 CJ7. I loved riding around in that thing. He sold it after a few years and bought a 1948 2A. I drove that thing around all through high school. It was then that I was hooked and knew I had to own my own some day. I was about 20 when I bought my first Jeep. If you can call it that. It was a 1992 YJ. I did some modifications to it over a few years and put a ton of trail miles on that thing. I always knew that I really wanted a flatty. I just had to wait for the right time and the right vehicle to come around. I was about 24 years old when it happened. I found "Thumper" my 1950 3A on Ebay. I got to looking at the listing and found that it was located only about 25 miles up the road from me. I contacted the seller and asked if I could come look at it and he said I could. That evening I went and looked at it and knew I had to buy it. I asked if there was anyway he would sell it to me off Ebay. He thought about it for a few minutes and agreed to do it. I went back and picked it up the next night.

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1950 CJ3A "Thumper"
1966 M151 A1
1942 GPW #70221


Posted By: Offshoreman
Date Posted: 06 Feb. 2019 at 11:18pm
I grew up in ours.  I was never a Jeep Fanatic, always just loved ours.

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Martin
CJ2A # 24928

Fair Winds and Following Seas...


Posted By: Bill2A
Date Posted: 07 Feb. 2019 at 1:49am
Mine is almost family.
Dad got it when I was 3 or 4.
He drove it to construction sights for years and every so often hunting.
In time, it became my first car.
I tried to climb anything that looked challenging.
Soon I got the thrill of learning how to fix what I broke. LOL
Fast forward a half century and Dad is gone, but the same Jeep remains.


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1946 CJ2A 14098


Posted By: LuzonRed47
Date Posted: 07 Feb. 2019 at 1:52am
To Joe DeYoung: My goodness, your shop is Willys Heaven! Racks of flatfenders! A tractor and even a Model T! Love the pics, thanks for sharing!

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CJ2A #140275 "Ziggie" (purchased new by my dad in 1947)
ACM #124334
CJ3A windshield, Warn Overdrive
1953 Strick M100 trailer
Serial #18253


Posted By: usmcpmi
Date Posted: 07 Feb. 2019 at 2:07am
While being a young boy in the '60's, playing "Army" was just something that was done...so my best friend and I had our "troops" the 2" green Army men that came in the set with a...JEEP! Then, there was the ads in the Popular Science that advertised the "Jeep in a crate" Boy did I want one of those! Then I spent time building models...when I was 15, I spotted a familiar grille in the weeds behind the local volunteer fire department. 1948 2A! After a call to the local firefighter who lived down the road, a price of $500 was set on. It took most of what I had saved from working the summer before, but it was mine! So with help from some friends and their Dads, i got it back home. It has the typical issues from sitting. Stuck motor, no battery, no brakes. That winter, I worked on it non-stop. When it had warmed up some, it was time to try and get it to start. The battery was recharged, but still a little weak to spin the motor fast enough to start. A buddy said he would pull me with his truck, and I could pop the clutch and start it up. Great! So off we go..up and down the oil top roads...pull and pop...pull and pop..no go...we checked the wires, switches, plugs, wires..everything looked good..pull and pop...pull and pop....finally Jeff stops and walks back and starts talking...then he gets this look on his face. Then he starts laughing and hitting me in the arm! "You big dummy! You have to put the switch to "ON"!" After that, we pulled it about 10 ft. before it started. It was the best feeling ever finally driving that Jeep!

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'48 CJ2A/192948
'15 Wrangler Rubicon

Mark G.


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 07 Feb. 2019 at 3:45am
Not much time,  but skimmed thru the thread,  looks like some great stories here!  . .  I need to come back later to read more carefully.
 
My fever in nutshell:
 
Grandfather had flat fender when I was really young
Father bought '62 CJ5 with 283 Chevy when I was young teen
   A few years later I drove that to high school when nice weather
     (and snuck it out to mud bog or hill climb when I could,  but had to meticulously clean afterwards LOL)
College was a Jeep "black hole" :-(
After college,  married with 2 sons,  my uncle bought a '2A as a hunting vehicle.  I loved that thing.  He could not keep it running, got frustrated with it,  and so I bought it from him for $300.
That was 30 years ago,  and is Wilson today.  Smile     (my uncle's last name is Wilson)
 


Posted By: Ol' Unreliable
Date Posted: 08 Feb. 2019 at 2:47am
I was probably 5 when I first found out what a Jeep was.  I pretty much always wanted one after that.  I finally was able to buy one when I was 20.  It was a severely-demilitarized M-38 with a Buick V-6 under the hood.  I kept it for 14 years, then had to sell it.  I was fortunate enough to find Ol' Unreliable 12 years after that, and this coming August I will have had this one for 20 years.  There's just something about a flatfender Jeep...  Smile


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There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable


Posted By: redrunner
Date Posted: 08 Feb. 2019 at 3:03am
I have had a 4 wheel drive for over 40 years now.  When I lived in the Black Hills I got my first 2A and always wanted another one after selling the first one.  It only took me 33 years to find the right one, buy it, fix it, finally drive it and love every second of it!    Tongue

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“Life is tough, but it’s tougher if you’re stupid.”


Posted By: Greaser007
Date Posted: 08 Feb. 2019 at 1:52pm
   My brain is going to keep replaying the photo of DeYoung's shop. hahaha
looking at the jeeps on racks is like walking into Costco with racks full of Willys-goodies.   Not for the novice.   

   I grew up in a '53 willys pickup with the F134 engine. During high school, I would take it out to the honda-hills on Friday nights chasing jack rabbits, when I was supposed to be at the basketball games.
   I will die with a jeep-in-hand. My trusty CJ-7 with T-18 transmission I purchased in 1981, and now 38-years later, it sits proudly inside the shop, and carried me through the Rubicon jeep trail for over 16-years.
   Then, in December 2017, I purchased a beat-up '46 CJ2A, and so now the beat-goes-on. :)


Posted By: Rod
Date Posted: 08 Feb. 2019 at 8:54pm
Was first vehicle I ever drove mostly in the fields pulling hay
Was my grandfathers and now mine 
Kept me out of trouble as a teen spending time fixing it up even putting In some shag carpet. 
Doing the second restoration no shag carpet this time LOL


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46 CJ2A 17573 Sioux Falls SD
Link to Photos of Restoration
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmuQgE9e" rel="nofollow - https://flic.kr/s/aHsmuQgE9e


Posted By: m38mike
Date Posted: 09 Feb. 2019 at 12:26am
In winter of '71 I turned 16 and was headed to be a Mustang guy.  We had a nice 68 hardtop that I'd learned to drive in.  But Dad got a company car and sold the Mustang.  I was heart broken.  Then one day in June '72 he asked if I would be interested in getting an Army Jeep.  He'd told me stories of the things he did with Jeeps in the Korean War and that had created a fondness in me for Jeeps.  I loved being out in the forests around our home and thought an Army Jeep would be just the ticket.  So we went to a truck graveyard an hour from home to look at dead Jeeps.  There were over 50 of them in the yard.  We spent a couple hours looking them all over before we decided on the M38 we bought.  We towed it home behind the family station wagon.  My buddies joined me in the garage and it took us about 3 days to strip it all the way down so no major parts were bolted together.  It took us over 4 months to paint it blue and get it back together to where we could drive it.  The wiring was a mish-mash of old military and new scraps from what ever I could collect.  No rhyme or reason to how I wired it up.  Burned up a few small wires by putting them in places that needed bigger wires.  But we got it running that fall and had a blast driving through corn fields and woodlots.  

In college I took it with me to Colorado where I went exploring all over the state.  After college I flat towed it to my first Army assignment near Anchorage Alaska.  I drove it up there for 3 years, getting to compare it to my assigned M151.  When I returned with it from Alaska I gave it to my Dad who lived in Leadville, CO.  He and Mom took it all over in the mountains around there.  He also took all the grandkids for rides in it. I redid the wiring in it while Dad owned it. We went to visit them for Christmas when my Son was 15.  Dad gave my Son the keys and said it was his now.  He drove it through the rest of his high school days, and left it with me when he went off to college.  I didn't use it much until we moved back to Colorado.  I did a rebuild on it and began exploring the mountains around home.  

I'm still using the Blue Mule to this day, with several modifications.  It's been leading the way for dozens of other flat fender Jeeps to come each fall to join us for the annual Fall Color Tours. 


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M38Mike
46 CJ2A SAMCJ2A
4?-5? CJ2A/3A/M38 Jigsaw
51 M38 Green Jeanne
52 M38 Blue Mule, 51 M100 Blue Mule Tale
52 XM38EV1 Electro-Willys, 52 M100 Juice Box


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 09 Feb. 2019 at 1:47pm
Loved the story Mike!!


Posted By: 64CJ5
Date Posted: 09 Feb. 2019 at 9:58pm
My love for Jeeps started when I walked by a flat fender Jeep every day on my way to fifth grade.  Our Sunday newspaper was delivered from a Jeep. I had an active imagination and could see myself driving a Jeep.  In 1961 I learned to drive in a neighbors GPW.  In 1963 I purchased a 1947 CJ2a and started my Jeep life.
In 1971 I married the love of my life.  She had learned to drive in her granddads CJ2a with a column shift in New Mexico.  We soon had a 1956 CJ5 that we traded for a new 1973 Daisy Yellow Cj5.  Many Jeeps later we have three Jeeps, a 1952 M38 "Popeye the Coast Guard Jeep", a blue 1964 CJ5 "Eeyore" and an orange & black 2001 TJ "Tigger".

We took the CJ5 to five Jeep Jamborees in five states.  Then I found the CJ2a page.  m38mike graciously aloud us to bring "Eeyore" to the FCT.  Oilleaker1 also welcomed us to the Black Hills Run. 
Now I have rescued "Popeye the Coast Guard Jeep" and we fit in with the other flat fender Jeeps at flat fender Jeep runs.

I did some research and found that Popeye in the early comic strips was a Coast Guard Man.  As our youngest son is a Chief Petty Officer in the Coast Guard,  the name seemed appropriate to us.

We hope to be on the trails with like minded people for many years to come.
   


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64CJ5 "Eeyore"
01TJ "Tigger"
52 M38 Severely demilitarized, "Popeye" The Coast Guard Jeep.
14 JK "Jake"
To Trust Government Defys Both History and Reason.

PUBLIC LAND Owner/User


Posted By: Bridog
Date Posted: 11 Feb. 2019 at 4:15pm
My parents drove a '77 Bronco which I wished could be mine growing up. By the time I turned 16 that wish came true, but unfortunately by then the Missouri weather and salty roads had been cruel to the body and I was less than enthused to to fix rust for what would be the third time. After selling it I began to become interested in a four wheel drive vehicle with way less body...a Jeep. A trip to Ouray, CO over Christmas break in '93 sealed the deal. Watching a local resident scampering around the small snow covered town in a flattie with no heater, doors, or even a top really entertained me. After leaving Ouray we stopped at Wal Mart in Montrose, CO to pick up a few supplies and just happened to park next to a nice AMC era CJ5. After a parking lot conversation with it's owner we went inside and added a Chilton's Jeep repair manual to our list of supplies for the trip home. I studied that manual all the way home picking out the perfect model Jeep to use as both a trail rig and a daily driver. Two months later I purchased a '76 CJ5, took it apart the same day, and then spent the next 14 months rebuilding it. That Jeep underwent a lot of changes over the next 10 years, but as far as the DMV is concerned it is the same Jeep I currently drive and the only Jeep I have ever owned. I am pretty sure the only parts still on Blueberry from that original CJ5 are the headlights and the tailgate.

Looking way back though if I had to identify a motivational moment that lead me to the Jeep I drive today and the trails we attempt to conquer it would again take me back to Ouray, CO. This time we were on the Yankee Boy Basin Trail in the 77' Bronco and was unsuccessful at traversing a section of the trail that was eroded. That moment stuck with me and later on Yankee Boy Basin was one of the first trails that nearly stock 76' CJ5 took us to the top of.


Posted By: SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
Date Posted: 11 Feb. 2019 at 4:55pm
I've owned Ol' Red for fifty years this coming April.

I had just got out of the Army in December 1968 after spending two tours in Vietnam. One Saturday in April 1969 my kid brother was reading the want ads in the newspaper and told me that there was a jeep for sale and insisted that we go look at it. I was doubtful.

It was the most pitiful looking Bubba-fied ride I had ever seen. The left front frame horn had been crushed in at least an inch, which gave the whole jeep a pitch to the right. The tires were worn out to the point of missing some tread. The owner (an oil production company) had taken the stern half of an old boat and knocked the transom out of the back and attached it upside down on the windshield as a makeshift top. The seats were worn out VW seats. The wiring was an absolute mess.

It did start and run. Of course, it did pop out of second gear. The transfer case whined even in high range. The speedometer wasn't hooked up so there was no way to know how many miles it had actually been driven. It had been used by the owner mostly off-road to check on oil leases for twenty years and had spent the last three years parked out back of the oil company shop. The rear section of the floor was caved in at least an inch from heavy tools being thrown in the back for twenty years. It had been rolled at least once. The windshield frame had been welded on several times, and not too carefully at that.

I had driven M-151's in Vietnam and enjoyed the ride. The way it's sad headlamps looked at me...I was hooked.

The owner wanted $500 for it and I offered $450. We settled on $475 because the owner pointed out that it had a brand new battery.

The Boat-Roof came off on the way home at a local scrap yard. With that removed, it already looked more respectable.

Over the years, the mashed up frame was replaced by a brand new M-38 frame I ordered from an auto parts company in Kansas City (since out of business) and it was shipped from the Philippines. (MD Juan, perhaps???) The seats were replaced by Mustang buckets. New tires were a must. Wiring was replaced. A Delco alternator was installed and the wiring was modified considerably. A right hand tail light was added.

I drove it on a mostly regular basis until 1995 when because of financial circumstances I had to move. It stayed in my mothers garage until 2015. She offered the space and still had the use of the other half of the garage. Over the years, things got stacked on the jeep to where you could hardly tell there was a jeep under the mess.

After inheriting my mothers house, I decided that I would either sell it or restore it. I couldn't part with it, so began two years of restoration work.

The original engine threw a rod after losing oil pressure suddenly in the early 70's. So the replacement was a Sears rebuilt engine. It had only 5200 miles on it when I started the restoration.

The bodywork required, I knew I didn't have the knowledge or skills to do, so a new steel CJ-2A body was next. The old body was sold through the CJ-2A Forum for $500 F.O.B. southeast Kansas to a genleman in New York state. The transmission still needed some work so I went through the tranny. The transfer case rebuild was a collection of NOS parts that I had rat-holed away during my time as a driveline mechanic in the 1980's. New wiring harnesses, new OEM style seats. New windshield. Rebuilt brakes. New clutch. New instruments. New OEM air cleaner.

Ol' Red gets driven on almost every decent day. She doesn't have a top yet, so it is more or less a fair weather rig.

When I bought her in 1969, four wheel drive equipment was relatively rare in southeast Kansas. Nowadays, every hotdog owns something that is four wheel drive...but not like Ol' Red. Everyone waves at me when I drive it anywhere...everyone wants a ride...

I wouldn't trade Ol' Red for the $15,000 I have in her restoration...it's only money, but she is an honest-to-God flatfender...not a wanna be!



   

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46 CJ-2A #64462 "Ol' Red" (bought April 1969)(second owner)(12 V, 11" brakes, M-38 frame, MD Juan tub)

U.S. Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer(ret.)
U.S. Army Vietnam veteran and damned proud of it.





Posted By: snave
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 12:57am
What a neat thread! Knew the first time I saw it, we would have to post something. 
When we have our Rockfest every year, we have a clipboard out there for people to fill out. The only question is, "tell us about the first time you were in a Jeep" (or something close). The answers are varied and awesome. Anywhere from "as a kid" to "my boyfriend had this old Jeep". 
My father was a mechanic/welder so I was raised as a gearhead. Not particularly talented but interested. 
I built my first Jeep when I was around 13 or so. It was half as long, half as wide and half as tall. It was in essence one fourth size as a real Jeep. That point got argued a lot, so I know what you are thinking. It had a one inch square tubing frame, 8 inch wheels and a lawn mower transmission. Managed to buy a new 5 horse Briggs engine for it. It had a lot of other stuff from an old "Opal" car such as steering and brakes. I even made a two speed transmission for it. Imagine the "workmanship". Sold it before Sue and I got married. Have been trying to find it for many years but the trail went cold years ago. 
When I was 16, I built a glass body dune buggy. Imagine how safe that was! Traded it for a '42 GPW. Six cylinder, 170 Comet motor and all, got us up Antero 50 years ago. 
Even though we had some years with Broncos (see Brian's post above) we got back into Jeeps as he said in the early nineties. Haven't looked back and we ALL Love it. 
Rojo is our most recent Jeep and we enjoy it tremendously. Mostly we Love wheelin with our family and friends. 
A little side note to Brian's post. The Chiltons repair manual was the small version, cost us $7.95.
That book got us back on the Jeep track and a fair amount of friends as well. We jokingly say that little book cost us and our friends several hundred thousand dollars. Sounds "far fetched' until you do the math. 
Thanks for the time and the cool thread! Look forward to many other "motivational stories".




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Posted By: Joe Friday
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 2:49am
Originally posted by SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A wrote:



Over the years, the mashed up frame was replaced by a brand new M-38 frame I ordered from an auto parts company in Kansas City (since out of business) and it was shipped from the Philippines.
   


If that auto parts company was Mid-America Auto parts, chances are very good your new frame was an original Midland Willys frame.

Mid America was the source of all the export model 44 10 spline front and rear axles for flat fenders that were available till about 1995?


Posted By: JeepFever
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 3:05am
Originally posted by snave snave wrote:

 
 . .  Mostly we Love wheelin with our family and friends. . . 
 
 
That is definitely one of the biggest motivations  . .   from the beginning it was always about the fun we had with friends and family.       For me it started with the local wheeling with friends as a high-schooler . .  later in life I took my nearly stock (except for engine) '2A on my first Jeep Jamboree in Murphy NC.   Not only were the trails like nothing I had seen before,  but the comradery and friendship of Jeepers was very infectious.   I attended at least one Jamboree-type event each year for 15 years after that.  First with a good friend,  then later including my sons as they got older. 
 
Jeeping is fun . . especially with others  
 
 


Posted By: Bruce W
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 3:12am
OK, I guess I gotta do this. Beware - long story follows! Big smile

  When I was a young Boy Scout, 11 or 12, (this would be 1961-62) in Buena Vista, Colorado, someone got the idea that the Scout troop could go into the woods and cut Christmas trees to sell as a fund raiser. On the appointed day, we started out with a 1954 (+/-) Ford farm truck, a model A pickup pulling a two-wheeled trailer, and a jeep. I don't know much about the jeep except it was old, had flat fenders and a hard top. We had 3 or 4 adults and a bunch of Boy Scouts. We didn't get far - even before the road became a trail, we found a rock about the size of a VW Beetle in the middle of the road. All of the Scouts and adults were not able to budge it. One of the adults proceeded to destroy an axe by using it as a sledge hammer to try to bust the rock. When the boys became restless and started to wander about, the Scoutmaster decided that we needed to either turn back, which no one really wanted to do, or go on the best we could. The jeep was able to get around the rock, so we hand-pushed the trailer around it and hooked it to the jeep. We left the truck and the model A there and went on. The jeep was full of scouts, the trailer was full of scouts, and we had two scouts riding on the hood of the jeep with their feet resting on the bumper. I was one of the scouts on the hood. I guess that's when I fell in love with the famous Willys Jeep fan whir, and the sound of the transfer case singing its song. As we went on, the snow got so deep that it would often come over the bumper and push our feet off of the bumper, but that little jeep loaded with adults and scouts went on. I was more than a little bit impressed. We got to the tree-cutting site with very little trouble.
   As an aside - there were no Christmas-tree-sized trees in the area of our destination, what do we do now? No problem, I climbed a tall tree with a bow saw and cut the top off. What Fun! Climbing high into the sky to cut the tops off of pine trees! To this day, the Forest Service wonders why trees in the area have flat tops instead of being pointed like pine trees should be. LOL  Right Mike? Wink
  We wound up with the trailer piled high with Christmas trees, and trees piled high on top of the hard top on the jeep. Now the inside of the jeep was full of adults and the hood was the only place for scouts to ride so we took turns. The rest of the time most of the scouts helped to push the jeep and trailer down the trail , but not much pushing was needed. When we got back to the rock we hand-carried the trees around to the truck, the jeep pulled the trailer around the rock, and we went home. We didn't have as many trees as we would have liked to have, but we had a good time, and we made a few dollars for the troop.
  My love for the jeep was set in stone that day, as surely as that big rock blocked the road. I knew that some day I would have a jeep, and a flat-fender at that.
  Fast-forward a bit, to 1970-71 when I worked for my Uncle Sam, and spent most of my time driving the CO's M151A1 or a Kaiser deuce-anna-half for the supply sargent. I spent a lot of my idle time trying to figure out how I could have a jeep (I never heard them called "mutts" until well after I got out) for my own after my commitment would be over. I would still like to have one. One of them never killed me, although I gave them plenty of chances. Big smile
  My first jeep of my own was an M38A1, a basket-case that was missing about one basketful of parts. I bought a CJ3B for parts at a farm auction, and wound up using the A1 for parts to repair the 3B. As Pop said, "You really wanted a flat-fender jeep anyway." I have little use for a "round-fender" today.
  Now I have the jeep that my Uncle Linden owned when my Dad worked for him on the farm when I was a little kid, years before the Boy-Scout Christmas-tree ordeal. I was very young and don't remember it much, but I'm surely glad to have it. How that came to be is another story.
  I'm not young anymore, and I don't know how much longer I can keep having fun, but one thing is for sure - those old jeeps are sure as heck helping me to enjoy life!     BW
  


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It is NOT a Jeep Willys! It is a Willys jeep.

Happy Trails! Good-bye, Good Luck, and May the Good Lord Take a Likin' to You!

We Have Miles to Jeep, Before We Sleep.


Posted By: Ol' Unreliable
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 3:30am
Great story, Bruce!  I think the statute of limitations has run out on the flat-top trees.  LOL


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Posted By: Joe Friday
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 3:55am
I guess I'm another one of those that's going with the short version (or shortest I can make it) and hoping to update it later as I get time.

In the early 1950's my dad worked on a heads-up night vision system for the M38 at Fort Belvoir. He apparently decided right then and there he would own an old "Army Jeep" someday. In 1975 He found a 1944 Willys MB advertised in the Norwalk Hour newspaper for $600. It was in Rowayton Connecticut, and had been used for 5-10 years to deliver newspapers. Previous to that, it belonged to the Hanes Concrete Block company in Stamford. It had no rust, but was almost undriveable due to steering slop, a worn out T84, and burned valves from trying to drive at 65 mph up and down I95.


Prior to him bringing it home, I'm not actually sure I had ever heard of a Jeep, or four wheel drive for that matter. We had a 64 Corvair Convertible and a 66 Grand Prix at the time. And what the heck was a transfer case???


Anyway, I helped him work on it. I then turned 16 and asked to drive it to school. He said no. So by the time he got back from his next business trip, I had 3 in the backyard. My first was a 1949 CJ3A. It was apparently used to plow the lot at a Junkyard in Chicopee Mass. It's been over 40 years and I still remember the sellers name was Harold W. Cote. The Jeep was not very straight to say the least. I recall parking it between 2 Oak trees in the neighbors yard and using a bottle jack and 4x4 lumber to straighten the body.

(That is the brown 1949 CJ3A that now lives at Mike's thirsty dirt ranch)


I had more time than money or sense, so I kept going through the bargain hunter and trading times publications and bought 10 Jeeps the first year for a grand total of $1000. I think in 1976 I bought every CJ2A and CJ3A for sale in Connecticut.


Working on the Jeeps (initially with my dad) gave me the chance to learn how to work with sheetmetal, weld, paint, rebuild engines, transmissions, axles, and change tires. Although I eventually became a Mechanical Engineer working in the auto industry in the midwest, it was the 'hands-on' experience in knowing how things work that helped me stay employed and to feed my family.

I spent summers driving the old Willys through the Granville State Forest, and the Colebrook River Reservoir area.


When raising kids and pursuing a career kept me out of the garage, I dabbled in learning early Jeep history. I'm hoping when I retire I'll have time to work on a few of the Jeeps that followed me home over the years. Although my dad's original 44 MB was sold to someone in Long Island, I have his 42 MB and 54 M170 to enjoy with the kids and grand kids.


Posted By: Oilleaker1
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 12:33pm
My addiction began watching WW2 movies and Rat Patrol. I wanted a WW2 Jeep bad. I mowed lawns, shoveled snow, stacked hay, and did just about everything I could to save up money to buy a Jeep. I would drool over the old flatties during the early days of the Black Hills 4 wheel drive club events. I even rode to the top of Harney Peak when a concession "Jeep To Harney Peak" was allowed. The Scouts and Broncos of the day were faster and more comfortable, but just weren't cool. 

Not only TV had helped with the motivation, but at a younger age of 7, I was walking up a alley in Cedar Rapids , Iowa and was stopped cold. There was a Willys Jeep parked next to a garage. The old guy who owned it came out and noticed me drooling over it. It just had that look. He asked if I would like to ride down the hill to get his mail with him. I did. I liked it. 

My day came at 13 years old.  I had $305.00 dollars saved and a 1948 Red CJ2A came up for sale for $300.00. It was all mine. I had to drive it in a field among aspen trees for a few months before I turned 14 and got my restricted drivers permit. 

I kept that Jeep until I graduated from high school and needed a car to drive to college. I think I tried everything possible in a Willys Jeep by the end of my relationship with it. I still think of it. If I knew where it was, I would buy it back. 

Once you own one, and love it, you will never be able to get Jeep out of your blood. it's fatal. Wink


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Green Disease, Jeeps, Old Iron!


Posted By: SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by Joe Friday Joe Friday wrote:

Originally posted by SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A wrote:



Over the years, the mashed up frame was replaced by a brand new M-38 frame I ordered from an auto parts company in Kansas City (since out of business) and it was shipped from the Philippines.
   


If that auto parts company was Mid-America Auto parts, chances are very good your new frame was an original Midland Willys frame.

Mid America was the source of all the export model 44 10 spline front and rear axles for flat fenders that were available till about 1995?


It was Mid-America Auto Parts. I only had to make one modification to make the engine fit. Of course you know that that would be the left hand motor mount had to be relocated. If I had it to do over today I would have just replaced the front engine plate. I didn't know that at the time.

Anyway, even though the M-38 frame isn't CJ-2A original, most people don't know that and only a true flatfender fanatic could spot the modification and know what was done.



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46 CJ-2A #64462 "Ol' Red" (bought April 1969)(second owner)(12 V, 11" brakes, M-38 frame, MD Juan tub)

U.S. Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer(ret.)
U.S. Army Vietnam veteran and damned proud of it.





Posted By: Nothing Special
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by Oilleaker1 Oilleaker1 wrote:

....  The Scouts and Broncos of the day were faster and more comfortable, but just weren't cool....

I suppose I could pretend to take offense at that statement (although I also suppose doing so on a flatfender Jeep site might be frowned upon Wink).  But honestly I agree with it.  With my Bronco now being 48 years old I would say that it's cool now.  But even though the '75 CJ5 I used to have was newer and (arguably) more common than a '71 Bronco, driving it with the top and doors off was just so much more fun than driving my Bronco (I often take the soft top off, but the hard doors always are on).  As I've said on here before, I can't see giving up my Bronco (it's just too good at what I have it for, family 'wheeling), but I sure hope to get another Jeep some day.  And since I already have the practical family 'wheeler, getting something older and smaller than that CJ5 is more thinkable than it used to be.  And who doesn't think a flatfender is cooler than a CJ5!


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Posted By: Oilleaker1
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 5:50pm
Don't feel bad. I own a Scout also. Wink

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Posted By: Nothing Special
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by Oilleaker1 Oilleaker1 wrote:

Don't feel bad. I own a Scout also. Wink

I don't feel bad.  I just know I'd feel better if I also owned a flattie!


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Flatfender wannabe
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Posted By: 3A Steve
Date Posted: 12 Feb. 2019 at 9:25pm
As a kid in the 50's thru 70's my parents used to go camping in the Southwest. Ouray was a regular stopping point. First used to go on commercial jeep tours with Buddy Davis in his stretched and propane fueled flat fenders. After he died in a hunting accident at the end of the 50's, my dad used to pleed with  Al Fedel at the now long gone Conoco gas station to rent us his white CJ3A with the Conoco symbol on the hood. This was the first jeep I ever drove (for a very short distance) when (I think) I was 14. After the jeep rental operation opened at the old Western Hotel we rented jeeps there and I drove after I was legal.

Had a 47 2A in high school. Drove it all over Southern Illinois. Friend rolled it on a gravel road with 3 of us on board on the way to a campground. No roll bar and no damage to anything other than to my windshield which crunched once and settled a few inches shorter. Sold it to a local cop who told me the engine fell out (I think he exaggerated but apparently the bellhousing was missing a few bolts).

Had a Scout after that. Drove it to Canada and to Baja. It was road capable and good offroad but it wasn't a jeep. 

Had a diversion into sports cars. Got married, had kids, retired, and didn't have another 4WD until I got a 2012 Toyota bare bones Tacoma (wind up windows). Thought that would rekindle my desire to return to 4 wheeling. Liked the Taco but perusing eBay and dreaming ended up with buying a 51 3a in New Mexico. After 4 years now the itch is scratched. Well not totally, I did pick up a 51 Willys Wagon last year in Missouri... always liked the looks of them. 

Don't know if it is the same for women but I think there is a little boy in most men that loves a jeep and the imagined adventures that go along with it.  (Yes I do like the Bronco and the old FJs and maybe even the old Datsun Patrols and even would love the v8 Scout)


Posted By: Tsip 46
Date Posted: 17 Feb. 2019 at 1:20am
Hi everybody!

I've been the owner of a 1946 CJ2A since 2001, and have been getting information from the 2A page for a long time now. I have found the discussions on this site very helpful to get my car repaired and interesting to read. Thank you all for this great page.

I was first exposed to the jeep world when I was a young boy, going on trips and hunting with my father and brother (pictured below in 1966 with a 3A). In those days, jeeps were the only vehicles that would take you to hunting grounds.



In 2001 I bought my own 2A and reconnected with my boyhood memories. It has been a joy to share this part of my life with my wife and kids, and make the acquaintance of fellow enthusiasts. Below you'll see my 2A along with my daily driver, TJ.



Thank you all,
Costas

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Posted By: snave
Date Posted: 17 Feb. 2019 at 10:31pm
When SE Kansas 46 CJ mentioned he bought a new frame from someone on Kansas City, I was pretty sure I knew whom he was talking about. Joe Friday is correct it was Mid America Auto Parts. I have a good "wheelin" buddy named Ron Istas who worked there over forty years ago. Originally American Auto parts they started business in KC sometime before WW2. Details and time lines are sketchy but they may have had something to do with airplane parts or supplies. Remember KC also produced Jeeps during the war effort. A steel plant was converted and they produced as far I know GPWs. The building was known for years after as the old "Ford building". 
American most likely saw the hand writing on the wall and when the war ended they procured massive amounts of Government surplus. The most popular of these was of course Jeep parts. The company was owned by the Glaser (hope I spelled that right) family. They were located down on 18th street in the heart of KC. They soon took on other vendors who produced Jeep aftermarket parts. They were a huge mail order business before it was popular. Ron says he shipped Jeep parts all over the US and abroad.
Ron worked for them for around ten years. National Auto parts out of Barstow CA purchased them and evidently renamed to suit the KC area. Thus became Mid America Auto Parts. 
Since I was raised near KC I have been to the old store. (still American at that time) A small city counter behind a large unseen warehouse was manned by an old boy named Jerry Levy. Cramped and dingy it was almost out of an old movie. You could walk in, ask for a part, Jerry would reach back behind him, bring out the part and give you the price then and there. Took longer to write this than be on your way. They had a "code" on the bins that gave the counter men pricing as they picked it up. (story for another time) 
Ron worked for them a while after the buyout. They moved down the street to newer modern type building. Sometime around the mid nineties they closed up shop. 
The following comes more from Bridog than my old memory. A disbursement company was clearing out the warehouse. Brian caught wind of it and that "leftover parts" were cheap. Brian and me went there one afternoon and perused what was left of Mid America. Two complete flat fender bodies hung over the entryway inside. They were complete from grill to tailgate. He thinks they were priced around $1,200.00 or so. Cheap even then. He found some certain Dana gears that allowed him to build two complete Dana twenty cases using the Bronco gear giving him a 2.46 setup. 
There wasn't much left but I remember a huge amount of leaf springs, gears and other stuff. Most of it still in protective wrapping. 
Sorry for straying off "thread" but Mid America helped motivate a lot of future Jeepers by being a huge source of parts nearby. The mid west location made availability possible. 

Thanks for listening.



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Posted By: Joe Friday
Date Posted: 18 Feb. 2019 at 12:41am
Thanks Fuzz.

I suspect the bodies were ACME brand, and hanging in the high bay on the west end. I recall a 3A and a 3B.

The showroom was on the South side, and the back wall had framed copies of the original Sessions paintings used in the Jeep Ads (featured in Fred Coldwells All American Wonder)

That's actually where I got the idea to collect one of each and frame them.

If that American Auto Parts was a franchise of Gulf and Western before they converted to Big A Auto parts, the world is getting smaller. My brother Craig was the region manager that closed the location and shipped back the inventory.


Posted By: snave
Date Posted: 18 Feb. 2019 at 1:14am
Keith sounds like you have been there. I never bought from the "new store'. The old store was a "trip". I would have been in my late teens when i picked up some stuff at American. My boss's Saturn overdrive came from there. If I remember the "layout' of the new store was as you say. 
As I write this I realize that these Jeeps we now treasure  were only 20 to 25 years old at the time. 
Don't know about the American to later auto parts stores. Ron said the family sold out and he moved on few years later. Regardless it is a small world when it comes to these little Jeeps. I imagine many of the page members ordered stuff from there. 

Still a neat thread!


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Posted By: Rick G
Date Posted: 18 Feb. 2019 at 6:29am
It was the summer of 1975.  I was 6 years old and my family and I were living in Durango, Colorado.  My Dad worked for Telluride Iron Works and he got off pretty early in the afternoons so we were always up in the mountains sightseeing and just enjoy where we lived.  Up 'til then, we rode around in Dad's 1970 Chevy pickup (which I so wish I had now).  One day we were driving out towards Hermosa Park and spied this green and white 1955 Willys Wagon for sale.  I suppose Dad knew about it and that's probably why we headed out that way.  I don't know how much he settled on, but I knew the next day we went back out there to pick it up.  I thought it was a cool old vehicle; the smell, the sound of that Super Hurricane and the whine of the T90 hooked me for life.

It was another year later before Dad actually let me drive it. He put it in low range and I just putted around a field because I didn't know how to shift gears yet, actually I couldn't really even reach the pedals.  I could reach the gas pedal because I wore a steel brace on my leg (like Forest Gump) and it was about 4" longer than my actual leg.  Anyhow, from that day on, I have been a Willys guy.  I just loved the look and capability of the Willys.  As soon as I would get out of school each day, I would head out to the Willys Wagon and practice shifting gears as best as I could.  Awwhhh, I can still remember the smell of the inside of that old Willys....

In the summer of 1989, I became the immensely proud owner of Gus.  He was all original, except for having an old thin coat of oxidized green paint, wagon wheel spokers, and a new set of Pathfinder retreads (which stayed on him until 2014).  I keep saying I'll get around to documenting Gus' transformation on here, but I'm too busy working on him or driving him to actually sit down and post all the pics along the way.  Maybe this year...

Here's my Dad, me, and the Willys Wagon in November 1977.


Here's me, my uncle (Dad's brother), and the Willys Wagon on the same day as the previous pic.  

Well, that's the Willys story for me.  I've been blessed to have known and enjoyed the coolest vehicle in America, nay the World, since 1975.  My dad has owned just about every Willys model, except the original Jeepster, he even owned a Mighty Mite for a while.  For me, I can't imagine life without at least one Willys jeep...


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1947 CJ2a #119929    "Gus"
1951 CJ3a #451-GB1-24268   “Newt”

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Posted By: Ol' Unreliable
Date Posted: 19 Feb. 2019 at 3:35am
November '77 huh Rick?  That was the year and month I got out of the Navy... heck, yer just a pup!  LOL


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