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jpet
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... also whenever you are going down the road under load, the axle will want to wrap upward, at least a little bit. For this reason, I would recommend tilting your pumpkin so that the pinion is 1 degree below parallel to the driveshaft. 1 degree is within tolerance any way and this way, under acceleration, your hog's head can wrap 2 degrees and still only be 1 degree off of parallel. I actually went 2 degrees below center on mine but my springs are longer: ... it does make a difference on vibration in my case anyway. I would suggest using wedges for now to set your angle and then wheel the vehicle a bit to get the springs to settle in. Then when you are happy with your geometry, you can cut the perches and relocate them. I never did cut my perches. I made 3 degree steel shims. I actually welded them to the axle perch to make sure they would not come out. Through the 4 year project, I had them in, had them out, flipped them around, you name it. Currently, i don't need them with the last set of changes I made. MMV The last time I got a drive shaft, I got the longer splines because I got tired of lengthening and shortening my drive shaft every time I made an engineering change: The only other down side to the double cardan is that every time you make a simple engineering change, it throws all your angles off. If you move the axle, it throws everything off. If you add or remove lift, it changes your angles.... but, it's the only option with a centered diff and 80" wheelbase. You don't have these problems with a D18. This is why I recommend using wedges to get your geometry correct first. Edited by jpet - 03 May 2018 at 6:44pm |
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ndnchf
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I forgot about the hose being too short to work in that position. Sounds like you are making good progress on it.
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JeepFever
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. I remembered you saying something about this in Universal thread, but could not remember the details. Thanks for sharing here, that will save me going back to find it. :-)
. I am surprised you only needed 3 degrees. I am using stock springs and at first made some wooden wedges to mock everything. They were so thick at the front I could not get the U-bolt nuts to grab.
. Too late for me already cut the perches. I can weld close, then if necessary, use minor shims for fine tuning.
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jpet
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Edit: if anything, the Jeep will settle down so maybe start with the pinion pointed 2 or 3 degrees below parallel to driveshaft. Tack the perches on. Get all the weight on the springs including passengers. Maybe drive the Jeep around a bit and flex it out. Then check your angles. Edited by jpet - 03 May 2018 at 9:41pm |
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JeepFever
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Thanks Jeff, that makes more sense now, (that the perches were moved at one point)
There should be no settling in . . I am not changing any of the springs, and as far as I know the rears are original '46ers I did swap out the fronts 25+ years ago with some from JC Whitney. Must have been decent though, I have no complaints. Your suggestion is very close to my plan. Tomorrow I hope to have the real engine/tranny/xfer in the frame. (tub not on it yet) I plan to load down the frame with some weight, and heavily tack the spring perches with minus 2 deg. If after the body is on, any testing, and hopefully Wellsville etc. I will review the angles and make any adjustments if necessary.
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JeepFever
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I got a few things done this past weekend, in between all the other obligations. Still feeling anxious about have a drivable Jeep for Spring Reunion, but hopeful it will work out. The real engine, tranny, xfer are installed (some drama there, but no time to share detail) . . clutch linkage is done, a custom bracket required . . . The exhaust is tacked up, from manifolds to back of Jeep . . perches on rearend are welded, new rear driveshaft fits (I had to order it from mocked-up dimensions, so was a little worried something might change) . . other small stuff done. I was hoping to have a running engine in frame at the end of weekend. . I did not quite achieve that, but kinda close. With some temp wiring, and some gas poured into carb, on first crank -> the engine fired up (for a few seconds ) Filled the garage with smoke, but sounded decent while it lasted Tomorrow I will rig up a temp fuel tank, and hopefully run a little longer. I want to make sure have a good running engine, no crazy noises in trans/xfer etc. , before working OT on trying to get everything else finished this week. Edited by JeepFever - 07 May 2018 at 2:25pm |
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The engine runs!! Can't get too excited yet, but at least it was not knocking or something obviously bad. After attaching fuel pump, and running a fuel line to gas can -> hit the "starter" and it fired right up. The timing looked close, can't believe I got that lucky on eye-balling the distributor first try. It is tough trying to get the rotation correct on an HEI distributor on this engine. The cap is so large, not a lot of options that work. I learned one thinbg, the tranny shifter cover needs to be bolted down with gasket etc. I was surprised how much oil leaked out after a couple minutes at high idle. . . (I had it fastened down with a few bolts, but no gasket or sealant) Could not run it too long, no coolant in block. Hopefully tomorrow I can get the radiator attached and run longer.
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That's a great step. Congratulations
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Excellent! You are making great progress, must be working around the clock!
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Progress! YAY!!
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Jeff,
I am having the same problem under full droop I iniatally attempted to solve by adding a 2 degree shim, which helped, but now I will get out the grinder. Question: On the yoke that you ground it looks like you removed material off the pinion side yoke. but on the Woods shaft it looks like he removed material off the shaft side yoke. Does it make any difference which side. Thanks, Fltfndr
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I have not been on the forum much, trying to spend as much time in garage as possible. It has been a crazy 2-weeks. Trying to keep up with mowing grass, put a garden in, family gathering each weekend, AND work on Wilson.
Since the last report, - got the exhaust fully welded, installed, and put some heat wrap on in critical areas, - finished all the brake lines, front pads, rear shoes, bled the lines etc. - installed transfer-case (twice , after making more mods to crossmember) - new rear driftshaft - Changed steering shaft routing to clear new master cylinder - Installed twin-sticks, needed major rework for where I have D300 clocked - tub on frame - Hooked up radiator, fan etc. (took longer than expected) - some "tuneup" to get engine running smoother. (still running on gas can) Still lots to go, but hopeful to have running Jeep for Spring Reunion.
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JeepFever
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Took Wilson for a test run early this morning before work. Seems to be running fine. Love the 69:1 !! should be lots better on slow trails. Did not get it up to speed to see what 4th gear feels like with the 3.73
The engine is noticeably more powerful than before. Not sure if just because it is fresh, the Comp cam, or likely because the exhaust is not smashed down to the cross-sectional area of a hot dog. Probably a little of all 3 One bad thing I noticed. The pinion seal on rear is leaking like crazy. I did overfill, because it is pointing up, but it still should not be leaking. Looks like I am going to have to make up my mind , and get a "locker" in there (along with rebuild) sooner than I planned. Otherwise I am going to be leaving a spot of oil everywhere I park.
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ndnchf
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Wow - that's fantastic. I really didn't think you'd get it on the road this quickly. Well done!
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JeepFever
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Choice was to "do it right", and not make the show, or cut some corners, and redo later. I took the latter. haha When I loaded on trailer to head to Willys Spring Reunion, it had a few miles on it. Some going up and down the road in front of my house, some in the woods seeing if locker worked on rocks etc. |
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Overall I like the update so far. The engine seems to be running fine, it sounds so much better without all the exhaust leaks the other engine had before.
69:1 is MUCH nicer than 37:1 . . obviously I don't have a lot of experience yet, but loading on trailer is noticeably easier. Instead of holding the brakes to keep speed down, then once at the mark, quickly pushing clutch, and applying brakes harder . . now it is just slowly idling up the ramps, and casually stopping. :-) Currently there is 18 miles on the odometer. (a trip to grocery store while at Willys reunion, and a caravan to picnic that weekend). All is not great though, the rear pinion-seal leak is hideous. In 18 miles, the diff lost half its oil. My first thought was to replace the seal and yoke, and drive for a few weeks to decide if I want to keep the 3.73 gears. . . but the bearings seem like they might be worn also. I made decision to do it all, rebuild kit, along with Eaton TrueTrac . Parts are ordered. I am so anxious to drive Wilson, but will be a couple more weeks now. (need to install everything, plus some vacation travel coming up)
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You got to make the show with it and got to identify some bugs. Now you can take the time to get everything right. That was a herculean effort to get it together in time. My hat is off to you sir!
If the timing is right, I'd like to come out and help (read that as learn) when you install the locker. I've never even seen one
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