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    Posted: 08 Jan. 2011 at 3:09pm

got this idea on another forum and thought it would be really fun to see what everyone here has to say..

 
let's see some odd-ball engines.. powerplants that have been long forgotten by today's car enthusiests.
 
GMC Big Block V6s and Twin-Six 702ci. V12
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kilroy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan. 2011 at 3:20pm
Now that's something else! What was it used for? A genset? Looks like a air comp. on the top or something.
Neat! Thanks for the post!
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From what I can tell, they used them as stationary powerplants, but they also were offered in some of their largest trucks.. along with GMC's line of Big Block V6s...

wild stuff...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kilroy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Jan. 2011 at 3:47pm
The size of that engine sure makes that starter look TINY!
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how about the old cadillac flathead v8 with the exhaust running out the top...
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and how could anyone forget the sleeve valve Willys-Knight?

 
i'm trying to dig up some info on the Willys-Knight and Sterns-Knight sleeve valve V8.. now that would be one wild motor...
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how about this real odd-ball...
 
the Packard Monobloc 12 - Straight 12 motor..
that's one heck of a crankshaft!
 
 
And the Buick Fireball 8 -- OHV Straight 8.
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This is the truck the 702 GMC V12 was found in. I think the 6-71 Detroit was the other option for the heavy trucks.
 
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how on earth did they fit all the motor in there? that's awesome!

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I've heard that there is no substitute for cubic inches

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wartsilla!

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Jeez, talk about MORE POWER!
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I think the part number for the jeep adapter kit for that one at JC Whitney is going to be NLA. Wow!  Is it for a gen plant or a ship?
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Those look like ship engines
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What do you suppose that baby weighs?
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Originally posted by evanjm evanjm wrote:

From what I can tell, they used them as stationary powerplants, but they also were offered in some of their largest trucks.. along with GMC's line of Big Block V6s...

wild stuff...
 
So....you want one? LOL Check it out, make sure you click on the photo/video page.
 
 
 
 
 
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Those gigantic engines are primarily for ships. Here's some dope from the article I saw on them.
 
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Maximum power: 108,920 hp at 102 rpm
Maximum torque: 5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm
The Wartsila-Sulzer RTA96-C turbocharged two-stroke diesel engine is the most powerful and most efficient prime-mover in the world today. The Aioi Works of Japan 's Diesel United, Ltd built the first engines and is where some of these pictures were taken. It is available in 6 through 14 cylinder versions, all are inline engines. These engines were designed primarily for very large container ships. Ship owners like a single engine/single propeller design and the new generation of larger container ships needed a bigger engine to propel them. The cylinder bore is just under 38" and the stroke is just over 98". Each cylinder displaces 111,143 cubic inches (1820 liters) and produces 7780 horsepower. Total displacement comes out to 1,556,002 cubic inches (25,480 liters) for the fourteen cylinder version.

Some facts on the 14 cylinder version:

Total engine weight:
2300 tons (The crankshaft alone weighs 300 tons.)


Length:
89 feet


Height:
44 feet


Maximum power:
108,920 hp at 102 rpm


Maximum torque:
5,608,312 lb/ft at 102rpm

Fuel consumption at maximum power is 0.278 lbs per hp per hour (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption). Fuel consumption at maximum economy is 0.260 lbs/hp/hour. At maximum economy the engine exceeds 50% thermal efficiency. That is, more than 50% of the energy in the fuel in converted to motion.
For comparison, most automotive and small aircraft engines have BSFC figures in the 0.40-0.60 lbs/hp/hr range and 25-30% thermal efficiency range.
Even at its most efficient power setting, the big 14 consumes 1,660 gallons of heavy fuel oil per hour.

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I have a complete early 60's GMC road tractor with a V12 in stock... sitting in my bone yard ,  I grabbed it about 10 years ago to just save the engine from getting scrapped.   4 cylinder heads, 4 exhaust manifolds, 2 intakes& carbs ....it's a BIG big big block .   This truck has a fuel tank that hold about 200 gallons... kinda tells you something ! It came to me as an off shoot of a machine shop project I did for a customer where I coupled (2) 4.3 Chev V6's together to make a V12.  ( long story about building a replica WW1 liberty V12 for a replica wood speed boat)    The whole truck w/ twin 6 could go to a good home real cheap if some body needs one, I didn't really have a need for it I just hated to see it junked . It's a pretty cool tid bit of the crazy things they use to try.... AND GAS WAS CHEAP !  

 FYI they also made a 637ci  V8 version also... basically the GMC 478ci V6 with 2 more cylinders tacked on.  I have seen a few V12's kicking around in Walter Snow Fighters over the years but I have only seen 1 637 in a ex Air Force fire truck . 

A friend of mine has a saw mill powered by a Buick OHV straight 8... that thing sounds almost like music to me when he runs it.   

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