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Johnnygeep
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Posted: 07 Nov. 2018 at 3:08am |
I would stick with one brand. Even with the same brand a color mismatch can happen from lot to lot. Also, there's a chance of chemical incompatibility that may cause wrinkles, peeling, etc. Personally, Gillespie brandbran always performed well for me.
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Johnnygeep
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Paint color is a personal thing so if you're not doing an original restore use what you like. Coming at this from the MV angle, it seems like
Gillespie brand is well liked by a lot of MV'ers. It is durable and less prone to fade than other brands I've tried. I have a trailer that I painted with Gillespie 34087 (my personal choice for WW2 items)from gallons almost 40 years ago. It has spent a lot of time outside and still looks pretty good. The Gillespie rattle cans seem to work well. Also, I wouldn't mix brands. There may be a chemical mismatch that could cause wrinkles or peeling. When using several rattle cans, I use the same tip from can to can. That gives me a few unused spares in case I have a tip problem or for future use. Heres's a tip (pun?) for keeping spray tips clean...pull a spray tip from a rattle can next time you go to the parts store. Find a can of brake cleaner or carb cleaner that the tip will fit. Then when you're done painting put the paint spray tip on the cleaner and give a couple shots to clear it.
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jpet
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I'd like to do an update to this thread. I bought 4 more cans of paint from Ron Fitzpatrick:
... this one says IMPROVED ATOMIZATION FAN PATTERN. Not sure what that has to do with clogging or not. All the cans I have used in the past were clogging in the can itself, not the nozzle .... anywho, I have just went through my second can and I have had no issues. That is a first for me. Basically, I am using them the same way. shake thoroughly and turn them upside down and spray till air clears the nozzle. Very pleased |
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tamnalan
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Alan Johnson
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SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
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The mis-match of paint is something that always happened in the Army. Of course, the paints supplied were always from the lowest bidder on the most recent contract for OD paint. You couldn't always count on a match, even from the same contractor if the batch numbers didn't match. I doubt anyone ever lost any sleep over it in a combat zone. Touch up work with a brush to keep the rust down never matched...
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Gil
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This is the Universal Hardener I'm using.Its made by Pro Form .. Giles |
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Ol' Unreliable
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Universal hardener? I didn't know such a thing existed. Then again, I painted Ol' Unreliable with Rust-oleum and a brush. It's a 50-footer!
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There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable
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Gil
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Mike what I did , I used a universal hardner with the flat OD and reducer ,it will make your paint more durable and if you paint on numbers with decals you can clean the overspray close to the numbers with reducer without removing the OD flat paint. I bought my jeep to the body shop I used to work at in the early 90's and the owner was impressed with the jeep paint and painted numbers.That what I did and it turned out nice. Giles |
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Ol' Unreliable
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I've often wondered if using M-38 semi-gloss as a first coat and topping with a flat OD would be better than just flat OD. Would the flat-OD-over-semi-gloss look good longer than OD by itself?
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There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable
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jpet
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Look closely and you can see BAM BAM's birth mark on the grill.
I think it's kinda cool but again, probably not on a clean g503. |
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jpet
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The lighter color OD is Rapco. The darker is Ron Fitzpatrick. Both are calling it 33070 I prefer the tone of Ron's paint better but some like the lighter color of the Rapco. As you can see they are not a match but on a vehicle like BAM BAM, I think that is a good thing. I like the miss-match look. I guess if the jeep is "clean", you would want to choose one or the other. |
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V8 Willys
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If you are buying Rapco spray paint (OD) and a gallon of Fitzpatrick (OD) are the colors the same or should you stay with Rapco since the spray cans have a problem with Fitzpatrick?
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danover321
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The 33070 Olive Drab paint sold by KW and Ron are from the same manufacture. Ron no longer carries paint produced by Gillespie Coatings. I have recently used Ron's 33070 with good results. When using a spray gun, be sure to mix it 4:1 with Mineral spirits as the paint is Alkyd enamel. Use a gun with a 1.5-1.8 tip for the best results.
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jpet
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The RFP paint had a different style tip that clogged, so I changed it with a tip from a working can. See how the paint is running down the side of the can? I've also tried new tips. That's what it does. It's not the tip that clogs. It's a problem with the outlet in the can from what I can tell. The RFP can is about half full would love to use the rest of it The Rapco can on the right works great. Shake it, spray it, Turn it upside down and blow out when finished, put on shelf, use it at later date with confidence till the can is empty. I'm not saying there might be a trick or two to get the RFP can to work but the Rapco can requires no tricks. Just use it. I bought my RFP paint a few years ago. Two different times I bought a box of 6. Most, but not all of the cans had problems. Maybe they have solved the problem since. IDK.
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Gil
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I think you have to shake the can really good and when done spray the can upside down.I been lucky with it.Also when I'm done I clean the tip with gun cleaner and I blow air thru it.
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jscheiner.09
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Definitely encountered the same thing with the spray can.
It was good when it worked but I ran out of aerosol quickly and it was too think and would get clogged. One time I had to waste about half a can because no air was left in it. Other than that, it did its job. However, I found a can of plastic olive drab hobby paint and the paint looks to match up well. Even though if its for plastic, maybe stop by a local hobby shop to see if they have a medal application. JS
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tamnalan
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I thought that Rapco and Fitzpatrick sell the same Gillespie brand paint. I have trouble with the rattle cans too. My sense is that the paint is mixed too thick - the rattle cans could use more thinner.
The 33070 color is what most WWII jeep restorers seem to use. My dad went a slightly different route on our jeep: he used 34087 which has a little more brown than 33070. I stuck with it when I inherited the MB. I like it too. With enough "patina", the two colors look almost the same.
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Alan Johnson
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JohnB
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I have the same problem with other spray tips clogging too - Rustoleum and Eastwood rattle cans. Cleaning the tips doesn't seem to help. I'm wondering if I'm not shaking the cans enough before using.
I have large and small paint guns so not using rattle cans for small parts or touch-ups is not a big problem - except the clean up. Really appreciate the suggestions - can't wait to start painting. |
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