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    Posted: 23 June 2018 at 2:03pm
I have been thinking about show experiences and questions we (Evan, my son, and I) are asked when we display our Jeep.  So I posted this piece Show Time.Wink

I am also working on a list of questions we are asked at about every show.  While I have reasonable answers to many, for others I'm just stuck.  Here are a couple

How many Jeeps, equipped for farm use, were sold?

Our answer- We don't know.  Not very useful and I am hoping someone has some suggestions.  One measure might be the number of the various lifts sold.  But to the best of my knowledge, that data isn't available.  Based on ads, I believe Love produced his lift for at least 5 years.  But would also bet his production numbers were low.  Newgren lifts were only in production a couple of years.  The Monroe lift had a much longer run and could have produced thousands of units.  Would like to hear your thoughts.

What areas of the country saw the most Jeeps on the farm - East, Midwest, or West?

Our answer -  Not sure.  Only have anecdotal evidence, based on ads, films and stories.  Based on what we have read, heard, saw, there doesn't seem to be one area where the Jeep was in greater use.  I don't know if sales data for all models sold is available by region.  Not sure if that would correlate to farm use. 

One common question at tractor shows is about availabe paint color.  I suspect that is because paint color is a major identifier for tractors; IH red, Deere green and AC orange instantly identify a brand.  I can't think of another reason that question would arise.  Maybe we are breaking the rules with our version of a tractor.

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The Jeep was just to light for actual farm ground work.  Good utility vehicle with power take off but to small for pulling full gravity baskets (may be on flat paved roads could be OK), loads of lumber and so on.  Is probably still better than modern sides by sides but still way to light to preform ground work as farms grew larger.  Great for breaking the ground for a victory garden.

I have a 1949 frame that shows stretching at the draw bar connecting points from pulling a plow.  Also flat muddy ground with open different pulling a plow with a Jeep just does not work well vs a tractor.

Frames were to light.  
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I am always careful when comparing the Jeep to a tractor to try and lower expectations.  I focus on the 9N/8N since it had similar numbers in the Nebraska test.  However, I've heard enough testimonials to believe that for some farmers, it worked great.  It is clear that tractors and farming changed drastically in the decade that followed the introduction of the Jeep.

My data has all been collected here in central Indiana, where there is still a significant amount of family farming.  But my sample size is small.  I am always looking for more stories.

I hope

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Jeeps were used in many jobs on the farms around here Willamette Valley Oregon. They pulled hay wagons they raked hay, they pulled disks, and plows on small farms, they sprayed crops, they hauled irrigation trailers powered seed cleaners. hauled Hop gantries We used one on a Christmas tree farm I worked on as a kid to haul out the trees from the steepest or softest parts of the fields. In short they did just about any job a tractor in the Ford 8N/9N Farmall 100/cub size range did and more. 
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Grew up in central California in the 50's and used my CJ2A to rake hay in the summer. They were used as sulfur dusters in vineyards (short life- rough fields beat them up and the sulfur ate them up) and pulling hay balers.
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Originally posted by Mark W. Mark W. wrote:

Jeeps were used in many jobs on the farms around here Willamette Valley Oregon. They pulled hay wagons they raked hay, they pulled disks, and plows on small farms, they sprayed crops, they hauled irrigation trailers powered seed cleaners. hauled Hop gantries We used one on a Christmas tree farm I worked on as a kid to haul out the trees from the steepest or softest parts of the fields. In short they did just about any job a tractor in the Ford 8N/9N Farmall 100/cub size range did and more. 

I really like the Christmas tree story.  That would make a great children's book.  Most people forget that the first CJs were marketed to the farmer (and returning GI) with 40 acres and a couple of mules.  At least that is what I've seen in the earliest promotional films.  Early ads show the Jeep pulling implements that were easily switched from horses or mules.

Another reason I use the 9N/8N comparison is that I think that was the market Willys went after, with the introduction of the Love lift.  And there is almost always an 8N at the shows that I can use for comparison.

Really appreciate hearing from the Northwest and will add you note to my collection of stories.

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Originally posted by outlw21 outlw21 wrote:

Grew up in central California in the 50's and used my CJ2A to rake hay in the summer. They were used as sulfur dusters in vineyards (short life- rough fields beat them up and the sulfur ate them up) and pulling hay balers.

A number of the promotional videos available on DVDs (sold on eBay) show Jeeps working in vineyards.  There is one scene were the Jeep is running through the vines blowing out something and I suspect, based on your comment, it was sulfur.

Have any idea of why the Jeep was a good match for vineyard work?  Size and speed? 

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It could go down the road between vineyards at road speeds, fit in between the rows and the bed was a good platform to mount the duster.
The sulfur was used for mildew control.
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Thanks, just the kind of info I'm looking for.

I fear I should have used a different subject line.  Not sure my tongue-in-check comparison was the right format to ask about regional tractor use.

I had fun writing the article and I've heard more reports of Farm Jeep use.  I'll take that as a win.

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The story I was told the late 48 was purchased in early 1950 because a farmer had returned it after a years use for a ford tractor dissatisfied with the jeep performance as compared to a tractor especially plowing. My father used the jeep to get to work(GM plant 7mi.) and take care of the 10 acer hobbie farm with 300 apple trees to take care of, for this the jeep was ideal, it was used for spraying, pull disc,rake spring tooth drag, buz wood and any other contraption we could think to run off the PTO. The tractor you can drive on the road! Joe W
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Originally posted by lhfarmbt lhfarmbt wrote:

Originally posted by outlw21 outlw21 wrote:

Grew up in central California in the 50's and used my CJ2A to rake hay in the summer. They were used as sulfur dusters in vineyards (short life- rough fields beat them up and the sulfur ate them up) and pulling hay balers.

A number of the promotional videos available on DVDs (sold on eBay) show Jeeps working in vineyards.  There is one scene were the Jeep is running through the vines blowing out something and I suspect, based on your comment, it was sulfur.

Have any idea of why the Jeep was a good match for vineyard work?  Size and speed? 

Barry 


My 2A came from a vineyard in Northern California. It had SOMETHING mounted in the bed - had some significant holes cut in the back. No idea what... maybe a duster or sprayer?
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Originally posted by wadoyado wadoyado wrote:

The story I was told the late 48 was purchased in early 1950 because a farmer had returned it after a years use for a ford tractor dissatisfied with the jeep performance as compared to a tractor especially plowing. My father used the jeep to get to work(GM plant 7mi.) and take care of the 10 acer hobbie farm with 300 apple trees to take care of, for this the jeep was ideal, it was used for spraying, pull disc,rake spring tooth drag, buz wood and any other contraption we could think to run off the PTO. The tractor you can drive on the road! Joe W

Your story is a great example of both the successes and failures of the Farm Jeep.  It wasn't a good plow tractor, but it was very good at a whole bunch of other farm work.

Thanks for sharing.  
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Originally posted by Mike S Mike S wrote:

Originally posted by lhfarmbt lhfarmbt wrote:

Originally posted by outlw21 outlw21 wrote:

Grew up in central California in the 50's and used my CJ2A to rake hay in the summer. They were used as sulfur dusters in vineyards (short life- rough fields beat them up and the sulfur ate them up) and pulling hay balers.

A number of the promotional videos available on DVDs (sold on eBay) show Jeeps working in vineyards.  There is one scene were the Jeep is running through the vines blowing out something and I suspect, based on your comment, it was sulfur.

Have any idea of why the Jeep was a good match for vineyard work?  Size and speed? 

Barry 


My 2A came from a vineyard in Northern California. It had SOMETHING mounted in the bed - had some significant holes cut in the back. No idea what... maybe a duster or sprayer?
The same DVD mentioned above shows bed-mounted implement hitches too.  It would be great fun to research Farm Jeep use in vineyards.  It would be a great excuse to stop at very vineyard, do some sampling and my wife would love it too!.

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All right, the answer is, yes, a Jeep IS better than a tractor.  I've managed to go 65 years without ever needing a tractor, but I've always needed a Jeep!  LOL
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Originally posted by Ol' Unreliable Ol' Unreliable wrote:

All right, the answer is, yes, a Jeep IS better than a tractor.  I've managed to go 65 years without ever needing a tractor, but I've always needed a Jeep!  LOL
Of course the answer is yes.  That was really a silly question to ask.  I should have asked "why".  But still a fun discussion
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My first date with my wife(1969) was in the 48 jeep.(Her mother loved the jeep, the glass door knobs on the shifters made her laugh, and she gave her approval). I don't think it would have turned out as well if I showed up on a tractor What was the cost comparison between a jeep and a ford tractor back in 1948? Thanks Joe W
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Originally posted by lhfarmbt lhfarmbt wrote:

I should have asked "why".  But still a fun discussion


Had you just asked "why?", you might have elicited some fightin' words from someone (a tractor lover).  Good thing you didn't.  LOLLOL
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Hi guys, neat thread!
I grew up in a small town in NW Missouri. There were a pair of brothers that had an old Jeep they used a lot. They were farmers (on a small scale) and many is the time I remember them saying that it was two wet or rough for the tractor so they put out the crops with the old Jeep. I remember seeing the Jeep but I was too young to know much about them. It was in the early 60's. They had a full set of implements for it. I worked in my father's welding shop and repaired some of their stuff. 
There is a you tube channel called "Periscope films II" Film #34714 is all about farming Jeeps. It is quite good despite the aged footage. 
The Jeep and the Ford 9n and 8n series have many things in common. Basically they both revolutionized their given place in post war rural america. They are both to this day sought after and can be quite "pricey" in our neck of the woods. Our son (Bridog) has the best of both worlds. He has an 8n Ford with Jeep motor. You'll have to ask him for details. 
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