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archerace 
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I picked up a new set of points from NAPA today and found that they have a part included with them that I don't have on my Willys. It's this little bent piece of metal.
 I'm thinking it's a spring that helps push the contacts closed, but am not sure how it's installed. Like this maybe? Or is this part not needed?  |
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p3ferris
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Posted: 14 June 2013 at 7:33pm |
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Looks like a capasitor clip
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archerace
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Posted: 14 June 2013 at 7:40pm |
I don't think so. The capacitor came with it's own clip. Seems strange to include one with the points. |
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Posted: 14 June 2013 at 7:59pm |
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Almost looks to me like an "extra" spring got packed in the box. Does it have the slot for the screw? I've seen points sets over the years that came unassembled but not like the one pictured.
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TERRY
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Posted: 14 June 2013 at 8:42pm |
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Some part numbers come with the "extra" spring, some don't. I'm not sure why. If it was included, i would us it. There is a specification for spring tension that I do not have as I am in France, but you do not want light tension and point float, nor high tension and cam wear.
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jimmcld
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Posted: 14 June 2013 at 8:56pm |
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It would have to go inside the existing spring, not on the outside like you have it, in order to increase spring pressure.
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archerace
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Posted: 14 June 2013 at 9:46pm |
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I agree, but it doesn't look like the spring would fit. check it when I'm at home I'm at work now.
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Lee MN
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Posted: 15 June 2013 at 2:59am |
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Install it or your engine will not run over 1/2 throttle as your points will float, Yes I know and it happened to me, very agrivating. In my case the dumba$$ at Napa opened the box and the helper spring fell out on the floor and I did not know it needed one.
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archerace
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Posted: 15 June 2013 at 4:07am |
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I put it together without the spring and it barely idols. it sounds like its out of time. Would the missing spring cause this?
lee, did you put that helper spring on the inside or the outside? |
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archerace
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Posted: 15 June 2013 at 9:02am |
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Ok...
For future reference, the metal doo-hickey is a spring. It goes on the points like this and you do have to have it installed to run.   |
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Posted: 13 Sep. 2017 at 9:15pm |
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I'm having the same problem...the x-tra spring will not go over the copper one but will only fit inside.
Been trying to install the above points in dizzy base plate with 100% failure...there must be an easier way than what I am doing. The problem is inserting the two springs in the clamp, they wont allow me to tighten the clamp due to overbite or misalignment of the springs that straddle the clamp screw. Is there a special tool for getting inside the base to tighten the clamp screw? Thanks |
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autolite
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Posted: 13 Sep. 2017 at 9:28pm |
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The clamp screw should be a hex head and some have slots cut in them for a flat blade screw driver. Need to get yourself a set of ignition wrenches. If not, remove the points plate and install points, tighten with screw driver. Install points plate on shaft and use screw driver to move points arm away from cam so it will drop into position. Hope this helps.
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SE Kansas 46 CJ-2A
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Posted: 13 Sep. 2017 at 9:47pm |
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The steel spring goes to the inside of the copper strip and the bend on the spring hooks around the pivot arm that the points are on.
Some manufacturers just use the spring as a conductor for the electricity that goes though the points; however others use the additional copper strip as the conductor of the current. Using the copper strip itself won't apply enough pressure to the point arm and it will start to float at anything above an idle. |
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Posted: 13 Sep. 2017 at 10:15pm |
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autolite Yes that will help...don't have ignition wrenches but will check for them. My clamp screw does have the slot in it but removing the plate will make the difference for me! Thanks! SE Kansas 46 Yes that is the only way I could get the metal spring to attache to the point base...I scanned the forum for info before posting and saw there was another picture of the point assembly and the poster said the copper spring went inside. There was no way I could get it to attache that way but you confirmed it does go with the metal spring inside the copper one. Thanks! |
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Posted: 13 Sep. 2017 at 10:21pm |
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Your local Ace Hardware store usually has a set of Craftsman ignition wrenches hanging on a hook.
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Posted: 13 Sep. 2017 at 10:46pm |
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I removed the two hex head bolts and the stud coming in from the side (for wire) and plate won't budge. Before I get too physical with it, is there anything else that I'm overlooking...do I just need to work it out? |
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Posted: 13 Sep. 2017 at 10:47pm |
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smuffle Thanks, I will check with them. |
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Posted: 13 Sep. 2017 at 11:47pm |
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I was able to remove the base plate with just a little pull...points went on in about 5 min. not the 2 1/2 hrs I've spent up until then.
That is the only way to put those points in that vehicle!! I had removed the oil bath cleaner assembly, one heater hose and all wires going to positive side of battery. Lost the original screw to tighten point arm and new one stripped out, (must have been metric) so I'll try to find one, probably need to take plate out and carry with me to find correct screw. Found I do have ignition wrenches just one not as small as the clamp screw. Thanks for all the help!! |
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