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Does the first gear have the sprocket on back for PTO?

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Originally posted by chasendeer chasendeer wrote:

Does the first gear have the sprocket on back for PTO?

I presume you are talking about the 6 spline transfer case input gear, and yes it has the sprocket teeth.

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Yep.
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I don't see a new sliding gear...
Supposed to re-use the Dana Spicer sliding gear ?

Also I see both a transmission mainshaft gear (output) and the O.D. bowl gear. 
You have to purchase both of those ?
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Originally posted by oldtime oldtime wrote:


Also I see both a transmission mainshaft gear (output) and the O.D. bowl gear. 
You have to purchase both of those ?

I think Rick is just hedging his bet just in case his overdrive grenades on the trail. It’s probably something I should consider with my Tera gears and overdrive. Having a recovery option when you are on the trail is good.
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Originally posted by oldtime oldtime wrote:

I don't see a new sliding gear...
Supposed to re-use the Dana Spicer sliding gear ?

Also I see both a transmission mainshaft gear (output) and the O.D. bowl gear. 
You have to purchase both of those ?

Sliding gear does not come with it.  I don’t think Jack even makes one.  Im using my existing sliding gear.


Originally posted by smfulle smfulle wrote:

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I think Rick is just hedging his bet just in case his overdrive grenades on the trail. It’s probably something I should consider with my Tera gears and overdrive. Having a recovery option when you are on the trail is good.

That’s exactly right.  Hedging my trail rides😉  Standard set comes with the regular transmission output gear.  Bowl gear is additional cost.  
 
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O.K. I would have expected a new sliding gear.
I'm pretty cheap, so was thinking I would only buy the bowl gear.
I never had n O.D. failure in 35 years of use.
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Wow, never thought replacing transfer case gears would be so involved😳
Here’s what Gus looks like right now.  Just waiting on parts...

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You are putting the transfer case gears in your engine!!
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Originally posted by jpet jpet wrote:

You are putting the transfer case gears in your engine!!

No wonder it seems more complex than you thought!!
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Originally posted by jpet jpet wrote:

You are putting the transfer case gears in your engine!!
yep!  They didn’t fit at first but I ground off the pointy edges and it all fits inside those four cavities in the bottom side.  Just waiting on a pan gasket 😁. Gus is going to go sloooooow now!
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I guess I will go with the terra lows. I don’t want to pull my engine!!!
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I have a spare "small hole" yet 1-1/4" shaft case from an m38A1. Will the 3.6 gears work in this case, or do you have to have a large hole case?

Also - if the large hole case is required,  is it possible to machine a small hole case into a large hole one?
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For some reason, when I started this journey, I was under the impression that you had to have a large hole case.  I don’t think that is necessary after doing the install.  You may have to grind more in the top of the case than if you used a D20 large hole case, but I don’t know for sure.  The one thing you do have to have is a 1.25” intermediate shaft.  If you have that, then I would give it a try.  At least give Jack O’Brien a call and see what all might be necessary with a small hole case.  If you are going to run stock motor, I don’t think it would really be necessary to do the tapered bearing intermediate shaft.  I really dont’ think its worth the money for these little flatties.  I opted to just go back with the 1.25” shaft (albeit, one of Novak’s hardened USA made shafts).

In hindsight, that’s probably what I should have done, and may do in the future.  Using a large hole case has presented some potential body tub/case interference issues (will confirm this when I put my tub back on the chassis) as the D20 large hole case has a pronounced larger cast in the PTO area of the case.  This larger diameter of the case looks like it may cause contact with the tub.  If so, I will have to lift the body with some thicker rubber body mounts (looks like nearly an inch by just eyeballing it).  I will document this in the future.  Also, the boss for the pivot ball stud (for the clutch lever tube) is protruding significantly more than the original D18 case.  I had to grind 1/2” off to be able to fit the clutch lever/tube on the ball studs.  I’ll also show this in upcoming posts.


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Jack assembled my 1953 small hole case, 1-1/8" shaft, into a tapered bearing shaft 4.1:1 case. Apparently the shaft area has to be machined for the roller conversion so it didn't need to be 1-1/4" initially.
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Quote  I have a spare "small hole" yet 1-1/4" shaft case from an m38A1. Will the 3.6 gears work in this case, or do you have to have a large hole case?

Also - if the large hole case is required,  is it possible to machine a small hole case into a large hole one?

Yes any gear sets can be put into a small hole case however larger diameter gears may notably thin the case wall. 
Very large gears will require case welding.
If strength is a concern (big engine extreme low gearing) then know that all big hole cases are of a stronger casting design.
A small hole (3-5/32" index bore) will have to precision bored in order to turn it into a big hole case (4" index bore). 
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Progress!  Body is back on.  The tub is in contact with the top of the transfer case, so I put a piece of a mud flap between the it and case.  Maybe that will work for a while.  Plan is to drive it Tuesday.




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Cool beans. I got mine yesterday and I'll have it in tonight.

Your drive flanges look cool

Have you done anything with the springs yet?
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