T90C vs T90A and Terra Low D18? |
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lowenuf
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just as a side note regarding twin sticking....
instead of switching my D20 out to a D18 front bearing retainer to get the twins, i mimmicked one of the aftermarket setups and made my own bracket, heim joint linkage and actual rods..... i removed the detent ball and springs, and can also run 2wd low as an option....
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45 #10033 ACM #47 45 #10163 ACM #188 57 CJ5 Dauntless V6, T-18 4-speed, D-44 rear/D-30 front, D-20 twin stick |
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bobevans
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Keep us posted! It would be great to see you do this build so I can follow your footsteps.
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oldtime
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D18 front bearing cap simply will not work with D20 assemblies. Low nuff, I suppose you must have built this as a D20 assembly using one of the Jeep factory D20 front bearing caps ? |
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Stev
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I am going to have Herm build the Teralow case with the twin sticks. We will see what he comes back with.
I am going to build the T90C - I have the input (16 tooth)and cluster gear (35 tooth). Still need a master rebuild kit and to evaluate the other T90 parts.
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Stev
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Greaser007
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Well, this has been a good read !
As one of the guys mentioned earlier in this thread, I too was satisfied with my stock gearing and all for local trail running, even in the lava-beds. But my first year through the Rubicon trail I learned that I was geared way too fast for the Rubicon obstacles, and was constantly on the brakes, and/or slipping the clutch which was very "frustrating" and not lots of fun. There are hills necessary to climb to get to my Dad's deer camp, and those years that we get early rains there are two hills I must winch over just because of the slick conditions, length of hill, and the crisis of Momentum lost due to no-traction / slick surface. Believe me, I do float-the-valves in my desperate attempts to make the hill on the First-shot attempt. If slick, it is all in vain and out comes the winch ( Warn 8724 w quick line speed ). thanks Warn ! Interesting thing: _ _ I have used my winch more to retrieve other people rather than assisting myself. I'll try to be quick with this little story which is true. I think the year was about 1985, and my father and I were headed to Wentworth Springs trail-head of the Rubicon. It was late on a Friday night and we were below the Loon Lake turn-off, and as we were going around a real sharp curve, I could see tail-lights down off the road and quite a ways into the Willow bushes. I stopped, because it must have been near midnight, and I knew we would maybe be the only other idiots out on the road at this hour of the night. Sure enough, the guy had entered the turn way too quick, and dove off into the Willows. This guy "launched" because it was about a 6-foot drop off the road, and he flew 20-feet out into the willow bushes before landing in his Toyota pickup. Lucky he didn't hit a bit tree head-on. (probably why he chose the Willow bushes). The two guys were stuck and high centered with no way out backwards, until my dad ran-out the Warn 8724 cable, and we plucked them back up onto the road. It was my community service for the day. It could very well have been me out there in the Bush. hahaha It is amazing how sometimes the "line" you think wouldn't work while picking our way through obstacles, _ _ actually Does ! I think you will enjoy those Terra ratios for crawling. Len |
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Rick G
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But that’s exactly how I built mine.
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jeeper50
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Rick can you post pics of the TC build, I'd love to see it.
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Belleview ol skool winch soon. '48 CJ2A 283 V8 sm 420 granny low, tera low D18, overdrive,lockers Texan at heart,Alabama by retirement |
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oldtime
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RickG, your running a Dana 18 transfer case... not a Dana 20 transfer case.
If the big index bore casting was removed from a Dana 20 that does not imploy that you built a Dana 20. Dana 18's were factory available with either the Small hole (3-5/32" index bore) or Big hole (4" index bore) cases The twin stick Dana 18 front bearing cap simply will not work with the D 20 transfer case. |
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Stev
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We probably could use a thread on Tera -Low gears. Reading information all over the place. On one of the threads - someone mentions that their Tera-Low gears are noisy. - Can someone with experience with the Tera-Low gears clarify if the noise in just in low range or is this a problem in high range as well? How much noise are we talking about? It here a noise difference between the 3 gear(D18 ground case) and 4 gear sets (D20 case set up as a D18)? I am sure people would like to know the same about the Rock Eaters.
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Stev
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jpet
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I have been one of the guys who complained about the noise of the Terflex gears, but I would like to pull back on that some. They are definitely noisier than the stock gears, but so are the Rockeaters. It's only when you are running in 3rd gear high that the noise gets very annoying, such as when you are "scrambling' in the sand between obstacles. The solution to that is to live with it, or shift to high range. I do believe that they are noisier simply because the gearing is lower and they turn faster. They are not noisy at all in high range ... at least not in my jeep.
I have read and heard reports that the Teraflex gears do not hold up over time but I believe this might be related to guys in trucks with large tires and such. I think the Qwaaazy 8's have shown that the gears hold up just fine in flattys with 33" and less skinny tires. Even though I am now running the rockeaters, I ran the teraflex gears for 2 years. The gears still look good. A tapered bearing kit on the intermediate shaft may help with some noise in a D18 in 2wd. Edit: The Rockeaters do make a lower tone in 3rd gear/low, but they are still much louder than stock in my jeep anyway. Edited by jpet - 24 Aug. 2018 at 3:26pm |
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oldtime
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I been getting several PM questions lately about D-18 vs D-20 etc.
For the record... I much prefer to just answer what I can on open forums so any info provided can be of benefit to others. Besides that their are many others who may comment with pertinent input. Anyway I was planning to update one of my old articles about "Dana Transfer Case Progression" to include Transfer case modifications. It is helpful be aware of the progression over time in order to understand modification details. Can someone please help me locate my old article titled "Transfer Case Progression". It's posted somewhere on the CJ-3B Page Bulletin Board ....but due to changes that board presently has no search function available.
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jpet
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I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for or not but: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/cj3b_bulletin_board/26-tooth-vs-29-tooth-t1811.html#p16476 You can still search the site using google by typing in a google search: "words you are looking for" site:https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/cj3b_bulletin_board/ |
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oldtime
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Thanks Jeff.
Yeah I believe that's it, but I thought there was more to it. I'll look some more ... I'll try and expound off that and post more info about D20 including some of the relative modification concerns. |
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jpet
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If you can think of key words in the title, you can likely find it. I used:
"Case Progression" site: www.tapatalk.com/groups/cj3b_bulletin_board/ |
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oldtime
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Yeah. I guess that was all I wrote about it back in 2011.
That info was high tech back then .... Ha Ha Ha ! I start up a new post on here and see if we can cover some of the good stuff.
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Stev
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Update on this Project.
I have all of the parts to build the T90C. Most of the parts are NOS with the exception of the cluster gear and the Master rebuild kit from Novak. NOS gears are mainly from White Owl Parts and a few items from Ebay. I have a few T90 cases and will be using a T90a case. I also have an odd T90e case but it is not set up to accept a transfer case. From what I have read T90e was from a late 1940's Willys two wheel drive pickup/delivery. If anyone needs at T90e it can be yours for the price of shipping. Herm is building the Tera-Low as mentioned in earlier posts. The one update on it is that he is going to use tapered bearings on the intermediate shaft instead of the standard needle bearings. Edited by Stev - 08 Sep. 2018 at 3:01pm |
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Stev
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smfulle
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Wish I had him do the tapered bearings on mine.
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oldtime
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Only difference with taper intermediate bearings is a little high speed noise reduction and a little increase of the service life.
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