Vintage Willys @ The Rubicon Trail 2018 - Event Date: 29 July 2018 - 02 Aug. 2018 |
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aboyandhisdog
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Rick, how did that exhaust crack not cause you brain damage? I had an ex. gasket leaking at last fall's FCT and my IQ fell off at least 8 pts. Maybe you just haven't noticed the damage yet. I won't say anything...maybe nobody will notice!
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Rick G
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Thx, Mike. Too late for the flex, plus I’m not really a fan. I already removed it and welded it up. Once I removed the entire exhaust system, I noticed a little more damage to the tailpipe and also the muffler, in particular. I drug the tailpipe on a drop off step and pulled the muffler apart at the seam and it was leaking pretty bad. I welded it up also. I cut the tailpipe where it wouldn’t drag on a drop off and maybe won’t stir up as much dust as it did on the Rubicon |
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JeepFever
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Rick, I loved the glove comment at the end.
Wish I could have found it in my Jeep, but no luck. :-( Hope to wheel with you one day again!! |
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Rick G
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Tom, I’m not sure if I would know if I had brain damage or not Some would say it’s pretty obvious, however
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jpet
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I'm addressing some of the PMs, text messages and YouTube comments. Last winter, I tied the roll cage to the frame before I went to Kansas Rocks. It has not been off since. Kansas Rocks looked more dangerous to me because not only are there steep rock formations, they also have mud and moisture. The midwest is totally different than the west in my short experience. I wrestled with it but once Stan put his on, that pretty much made me decide to leave it on for good. Even though I was concerned with my own safety, what bothered me more was that I knew I was making the people I wheel with nervous and I didn't want them to feel uncomfortable. Some have commented here and on YouTube about how short the cage is and how Chris's head is actually above the cage. When we were not navigating obstacles, we sat on seat cushions. When I attempted an obstacle, I removed the seat cushion so that my head is below the cage. Trying to do a cage and keep the original geometry is not easy. The MB windshield restricts a tall person's visibility. I'm going to try to do a taller windshield, but extend the height of the glass instead of a taller front panel like a 2A. This way I can also raise the roof on the cage and maybe even make some taller seat cushions. Last year, I did the obstacle without a cage, but I did it on the far right. This year, I went slightly left of the edge which is more challenging. Had I not had a cage, I don't know that I would have tried that line. IDK. Having a cage does boost my confidence. I'm not a psychologist so .... Notice that BAM BAM got hung up on the rear diff. (something I've commented on in other posts). Not sure if an offset diff would have helped or not. Soup Bowl: There was not much video of the Soup Bowl. Stan, Rick, and I all took a crack at it. I simply do not have enough belly clearance. I'm sure eventually, we could have stacked enough rocks to make it, and I'm not against doing some rock stacking, but if you have to make a super highway, there wasn't much point, at least for me. There were plenty of rocks in there before we even arrived and I suspect that if there were no rocks, very few would be able to pass. We spent 2 hours on the obstacle. I'm trying to learn the rules of 4-wheeling, but they keep changing. I think the rule for "rock stacking" is that it is legal so long as they were put there by the guy before you? |
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CJ2A #29110 "General Willys"
MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
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JeepFever
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I have a bunch of video of Soup Bowl, if you or Rick would like me to upload somewhere, for analysis -Ron
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jpet
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Yeah, I'd like it. Dropbox or Google Drive
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CJ2A #29110 "General Willys"
MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
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mbullism
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I'm by no means an expert on rock stacking or etiquette in general, but it seems to me the legality is directly proportional to how much overcoming the obstacle figures into actually getting home
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Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it... Welcome to 1930's Germany
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Nothing Special
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As Captain Barbossa (Geoffrey Rush) said to Elizabeth Swann (Keira Knightly) in Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl "The code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules." But the most conservative "guideline" I've heard regarding rock-stacking is that if you stack them, then you should unstack them. So stacking to get your vehicle through is fine, but leave the trail as you found it so the next group can have the same challenge you had
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rocnroll
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That sounds a little like ' I made it now maybe you wont'.
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Bridog
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The only general etiquette “rock stacking” rule I am familiar with is to leave the obstacle as you found it. This is true whether you made the obstacle easier or harder by moving rocks. Oh yeah, and it also includes trees. Do not run over them as they are much more difficult to put back than rocks are! After that I think it is dependent upon the individual and the circumstances. Some people (including me) would agree that if moving a couple rocks gets you up an obstacle then you had a successful climb. Some may think you can fill holes in with a couple hundred pounds of rocks and still call it a successful climb, and most everybody else is somewhere in between. And it may even change depending on what modifications have been made to the vehicle on the obstacle. Now if an obstacle stands in the way of enjoying the rest of the trail, body damage is likely and unacceptable, trying to limp a broken rig back, a driver feels uncomfortable about the obstacle, etc. then start stacking. Conquering most difficult trails with anything other than huge rigs or buggies usually requires some rock stacking. Our opinions on how much is allowed is going to vary, but I cannot remember wheeling with anybody who is unwilling to help stack rocks to help a friend up an obstacle. |
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jpet
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That's kinda where I'm at. I assume it was the Jeep Jamboree guys before us who put the rocks there to begin with. The object is to have fun and "feel the win" so if you can stack rocks and feel the win, then great. We were close to getting through the soup bowl but with the amount of rocks we were stacking, the win would have felt diminished ... that and I was feeling sorry for Bob and Stan lifting all those heavy rocks while I sat in the jeep ... even though they can thank me and BAM BAM for their new muscles |
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MB #204827 "BAM BAM" "We do what we can, and we try what we can't" |
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oldtime
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You guys need to keep score on the Rubicon.
Every back-up due to failed attempt = minus 1 point. I did not see Bob W backing up very often for a second try. Good job Bob ! For me It's about knowing your Jeeps limits and picking the lines that it can handle. I once had a perfect score when driving down the interstate because I never had to back up a single time... Ha Ha Ha !
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Currently building my final F-134 powered 3B .
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JeepFever
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Any points added for running with open front diff, and limited-slip rear? I thought my front Elocker was intermittent, but now I am wondering if it worked at all after the first day. Early on, I could tell when locker was engaged because the steering got a lot harder. I never did feel that hard steering for day 2 and 3. (or Moab/Ouray) I assumed it was working at times because I made it over some obstacles that it had to be locked. Maybe not. I found the issue with Elocker after getting home, the connector was not making solid contact. Today for the first time, after fixing the connector, -> I did a little wheeling. It was very obvious in the steering when the locker was engaged. I never felt that after day 1 of Rubicon. I went to all the expense and time to install a locker for this trip, and may have not got any benefit. Oh well, I will be ready the next time.
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JeepN95YJ
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I agree with all of this pretty much. I have been wheeling a long time and remember the "hardcore" crowd getting angry at rock stackers. I don't really see it as a problem. If it is a problem it is a problem both ways. Meaning, stacking rocks or tearing them out with tires and horsepower. Both are a problem depending on what you are driving. Back in the 1990s when "big" tires were 35s, I wheeled with 35s and even went up to 37s. That being said buggies didn't really exist at the time either. Now 37s and up are common. There is no way to take the same lines on 31s or 32s. I prefer the 33 and under tire now. I don't get hung up on taking the "hero" line. In 1989 I remember driving my open-diff Samurai on 30s on trails the local guys with Jeeps on 33s and 35s said I'd never be able to make. I usually had to pick a different line on the climbs but I always went where ever they did. Mud-holes too. The little samurai's narrow track and offset diffs kept me out of the big ruts and let me keep going. I have even "surfed" the wave of a big puddle to get that little boost to push me out of a hole. My opinion is to stack as necessary, but understand the limits of your Jeep by picking appropriate lines. Watching your guys' videos, I'd say you all do a great job of it. |
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Nothing Special
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No, just "leave it like you found it", same as what Brian said later
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Unkamonkey
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I have very rarely ever needed to stack rocks for myself. I can usually see another line and do fine. There is a friend I have had to stack rocks for. He is new at this. We were out a few years ago a week after the EJS and at some of the obsticles there was rocks scattered everywhere. Those people can really chew up a trail. As far as removing rocks, those things have been around a lot longer than we have and eventually they will all be in a different place.
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uncamonkey
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Ol' Unreliable
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So maybe you don't really need it? |
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There's a reason it's called Ol' Unreliable
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